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Re: Isn’t Carmine Persico considered a prison
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I'll bet about half of the mobsters throughout history have traded a little info to authorities for some leeway. Most of the successful ones who made money and stayed out of jail had to have. This isn't Sicily. This is America. The dollar comes first and you look out for number one. "Half of the mobsters throughout history?" What are you smoking?
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Re: Isn’t Carmine Persico considered a prison
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@Pmac: Never heard anything on DeLeo meeting with Limone. Not saying it isn't true, but if it is it's not documented anywhere, so everybody else keep that in mind. Regarding DeLeo's induction, Pogo on BH has it happening mid-2000 in a residence in Babylon, L.I. If you know anything about Pogo it's that he doesn't fabricate or make up evidence, nor does he ever claim to have secret sources. Regarding the induction thing, I haven't seen that documented either but it definitely would not surprise me. Massino had a big Commission meeting in January 2000, that much we know as fact, and the following February the Colombos conducted their first ceremony in nine years.
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Re: Isn’t Carmine Persico considered a prison
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I take those stories with a grain of salt. Blacks idolize mob guys, thats a fact. This. Mob guys are heros to these guys. And Deleo got busted when acting boss on a case that originated in Arkansas. A cop that used to work in my home town ratted them all out on gambling, drugs and guns.
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Re: Isn’t Carmine Persico considered a prison
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I'll bet about half of the mobsters throughout history have traded a little info to authorities for some leeway. Most of the successful ones who made money and stayed out of jail had to have. This isn't Sicily. This is America. The dollar comes first and you look out for number one. If they had the mob would never have gotten as powerful as it did. Quite the opposite. The mob would have never gotten as powerful as they did had they not worked with law enforcement.
"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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Re: Isn’t Carmine Persico considered a prison
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I take those stories with a grain of salt. Blacks idolize mob guys, thats a fact. You idolize mob guys, too. Furthermore, the blacks who make money on the street are more useful to the mob than white civilians, even white civilians from mob neighborhoods. Mob > black earners > white civilians. That's the pecking order. So, know your place.
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Re: Isn’t Carmine Persico considered a prison
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I'll bet about half of the mobsters throughout history have traded a little info to authorities for some leeway. Most of the successful ones who made money and stayed out of jail had to have. This isn't Sicily. This is America. The dollar comes first and you look out for number one. If they had the mob would never have gotten as powerful as it did. Quite the opposite. The mob would have never gotten as powerful as they did had they not worked with law enforcement. I can’t believe this is even up for debate. What do you think the government works with informers for? It’s to make cases against the Mafia. If HALF - 50% - were working with law enforcement, wouldn’t that defeat the entire purpose of taking down the Mafia? Not to mention that’s longtime FBI informers get a huge amount of leniency in court. And from the 1980s-today, the vast majority of mobsters have been indicted and received a fair amount of time for their crimes. Guys like Greg Scarpa got probation for serious credit card fraud. That’s because he was an informer. Most mobsters get heavy time for these things. It’s simply common sense, Oak, and it’s completely nonsensical to accuse half of the entire Mafia of being rats. It makes no sense even from a law enforcement standpoint. Not to mention that Greg Scarpa was incredibly prized by law enforcement because, according to Colombo squad supervisor Lin DeVecchio, he was the only person during the Third Colombo War that was providing high-level information. If “half†of the Mafia were rats, then they’d have at least 50 made members providing information on the war. Does that make sense to you?
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Re: Isn’t Carmine Persico considered a prison
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I'll bet about half of the mobsters throughout history have traded a little info to authorities for some leeway. Most of the successful ones who made money and stayed out of jail had to have. This isn't Sicily. This is America. The dollar comes first and you look out for number one. If they had the mob would never have gotten as powerful as it did. Quite the opposite. The mob would have never gotten as powerful as they did had they not worked with law enforcement. I can’t believe this is even up for debate. What do you think the government works with informers for? It’s to make cases against the Mafia. If HALF - 50% - were working with law enforcement, wouldn’t that defeat the entire purpose of taking down the Mafia? Not to mention that’s longtime FBI informers get a huge amount of leniency in court. And from the 1980s-today, the vast majority of mobsters have been indicted and received a fair amount of time for their crimes. Guys like Greg Scarpa got probation for serious credit card fraud. That’s because he was an informer. Most mobsters get heavy time for these things. It’s simply common sense, Oak, and it’s completely nonsensical to accuse half of the entire Mafia of being rats. It makes no sense even from a law enforcement standpoint. Not to mention that Greg Scarpa was incredibly prized by law enforcement because, according to Colombo squad supervisor Lin DeVecchio, he was the only person during the Third Colombo War that was providing high-level information. If “half†of the Mafia were rats, then they’d have at least 50 made members providing information on the war. Does that make sense to you? Not to mention that the FBI would have known what Scarpa and DeVecchio were up too. Carmine Persico still has respect in prison.
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Re: Isn’t Carmine Persico considered a prison
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Lucky Luciano, the founder of the modern day mafia, gave guys up to the authorities. The organization would have never reached the heights that it did if some of the more successful players weren't throwing others under the bus. In this country you get along to go along. Nobody makes it without playing the game. The mob was no exception. The Mafia would be long dead if HALF of it's members were government informers. Not to mention that the government doesn't keep useless informers on their payroll unless they're contributing to a case. No matter which way you look at it, rats do not comprise HALF of the modern day mafia. Look at some recent busts. I'm surprised you've been on the forum since 2013 and can't comprehend this. Most busts are comprised of one or two mob informants and they're able to snare a dozen or couple of dozen guys.
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Re: Isn’t Carmine Persico considered a prison
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The guys who made real money and stayed out of jail worked with authorities routinely. Which is not 50%...
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