‘Punk’

From everything I’ve seen and read, it doesn’t matter if u lose the fight. What matters is, one sticks up for themselves. Now assuming for argument sake, he did get slapped by that black guy. And assuming he did nothing in return.

In prison, that would mean he’s gone into prey territory ie punk. And he’s one stage away from
getting asss raped. Prison rules does not respect any weakness and once u show weakness, you’re opening yourself up to extortionists, rapists, etc

If someone wants to rape an 84 year old man then they belong in a mental institution, not prison.

I get what you say but don't they say that rape isn't about lust or sex, but about power?? I mean they also rape guys in prison with all sorts of foreign objects, so an erect penis is not always needed.. A mob boss like Persico would never come back from that I reckon and I think the Persicos on the outside would also be effected by it, the Persico name would turn to shit..

Rape Carmine Persico, are you insane? The guy who were to do it would have to go into 24 hour protective custody.

He's not getting raped at Butner, I can about guarantee that.

He was able to protect Bernie Madoff and prevent him getting beaten around by other prisoners so we know that Carmine isn’t lacking respect.
He’s not getting bullied and he’s not getting raped.
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He should be beaten and abused just for protecting Bernie Madoff.

Imagine the pay off protecting Bern Madoff

Fair point. Maybe Persico's attackers want a cut of that.

Yes I get carmine has power, and was protecting Bernie. But that incident where some black guys were sitting on his favourite table in Chow, and he was slapped.... i’m not suggesting anyone wants to
rape him. But to get punked like that (assuming the rumour is true) isn’t good in prison terms. And obviously he did the smart thing when faced with much younger stronger black inmates. Again, if that happened, he showed weakness.

I'm not sure if an 80 year old man is even capable of defending himself in that type of situation. If anything, this is on the Colombos. The burden is on the family to either have defended him at the time, or respond in some way if they weren't there to defend him.

He is a very old man and he is well protected and looks much different then these twenty year old to 60 year photos he’s a old man.

And those stories are all twisted.

Ya havnt seen a recent picture of him. The ones on here are from the mid 90tys. 20+yrs ago

I take those stories with a grain of salt. Blacks idolize mob guys, thats a fact.

Where did this story even come from, if I may ask?
And besides, we know Carmine has "boys" beneath him in Butner, the same ones that ironed out the Bernie Madoff beef.

Really? You can't be even half way serious.

I heard two guys were in his seat and he asked them to move and said no.

The next day they moved.

I heard something, but it was a table.

Yeah,two other inmates seated at his preferit table in the prison cafetteria and the snake ordered him to go away they said "fuck you" so the next day the snake send his men to occupate for first the table.I know that when Gigante was sent in prison after the 1998 nobody ever had the balls to say "fuck you" to him.

It’s a huge difference from 66- to you mid to upper 80’s and being in the joint half your life kills ! When you see the next pictures of him if they are released it’s a big change.

How long hgas Persico been in Butner ??? Last photo I saw of him showed him eating with Anthony Senter at Lewisberg- or it's annex

Persico is an old time convict,nobody's gonna fuck with him.

If Carmine is touched as an octogenarian it looks bad on Colombo’s not him. No way he could be ever a punk lol

It’s not 1986. Inside the walls, the mafia probably holds less power than your average prison gang. He doesn’t have an army in their willing to sacrifice themselves

Definitely not, but Carmine Persico is not your average mobster. He is, and has been, the boss of New York's most violent Mafia family since 1973 and has been serving a life sentence since 1986. He has undoubtedly made numerous connections in the various prisons he's been at, and the Bernie Madoff saga proves that he has goons beneath him. Maybe these goons are mob associates currently at Butner. Maybe they're New Yorkers who are hoping to be hooked up with the Colombos upon release. Maybe Carmine's kicking them a bit of 'protection' money. Or, maybe Carmine Persico's legendary street and prison reputation is enough for certain groups of people to want to impress.
Prison connections are incredibly useful for the Mafia today, especially in the 21st century. I'll give you some big name examples - Ralph DeLeo, an out-of-state criminal from New England, was able to become the Colombo family's ACTING BOSS purely through a prison friendship with Alphonse 'Little Allie Boy' Persico. This is a guy that had never been a mob associate before meeting Allie Boy in prison. Thomas Farese was from Boston, met powerful Colombo capo Nicholas 'Jiggs' Forlano in the can, and upon his release partnered with him in a marijuana trafficking operation in Florida. By 2012, Farese was the Colombo family's acting consigliere, and he had even hooked up with Carmine Persico's daughter by then.
There are obviously far more examples, but the fact that somebody can become ACTING BOSS of a 100-man crime family based on a single prison connection alone, and also how someone can become an associate of a powerful Colombo capo after nothing but a prison friendship shows the importance of such connections. Off the top of my head, I also recall Colombo associate Joseph Petillo befriending Bonanno acting boss Vincent 'Vinny TV' Badalamenti in prison and getting Badalamenti's approval and guidance on various loans Petillo had to Bonanno associates. Prison connections are important, and prison cash (protection money) is just as important. Persico is not a poor man, and he is not a disrespected man.

Great input Nicky, sure makes a lot of sense..

I’m sure he gets plenty of respect and I doubt anyone has really bothered him the last 30 years.. I think most everyone would be in awe of a mob boss regardless of affiliation. But if someone smacks him in prison I don’t think he ends up dead as opposed to say the mid 80’s

Cheers BillyB.

JimmyI, I 100% agree, nobody's getting whacked for slapping ol' Carmine. If the guy slaps Carmine, and he happens to be from New York, and somebody knows a guy who knows him, then sure, he'll probably get a smackdown back from some young associates looking to please a Persico.

Very interesting and brilliant post. That deleo is a stand up guy considering he isn’t long term lcn. Remember reading a wiretap where he is talking to his sister and he can’t believe the respect that he is shown now he is acting boss. Shows there’s quality guys out there in jail away from lcn

It’s crazy he took his time like a man considering that, before he hooked up with the mob, he testified against his former criminal cohorts in exchange for a reduced sentence. I guess nobody in the Colombos did their research on him.