People serving in the army eat shit, too, but you don't hear them complaining.

Stock fraud. OC. The kind of men that took excellent care of themselves before and after jail.

And the prison I'm speakng of was Ft Dix, which as I understand isn't terrible as prisons go, so if the care there is poor, then in many prisons it must be far worse.

Well people in the army do go and die for a country that doesn't give half of a fuck about them. They gave my guy 12k for two years of service during the 2nd iraq war

My cousin was in the California prison system for a couple of years, and will probably have to get his leg amputated from diabetic complications he wasn't even diagnosed with until he got out. Doctors in prison check your blood pressure and your temperature, and send you back to the yard. You think Kaiser is stingy with the blood work and x rays...

Wheels, Moe dont get it, he is a good poster ,but in this area he has no clue, you get an aspirin and told see you later, you see a p.a. until you are really sick then a doc. also Moe if you dont have a hook, you bunk with guys with aids ,hep c all types of shit, sure guys live long ,just good genetics, and a very strong mind. the food usually is expired military surplus ..best thing is commissary you live off the sheet.then cook out of plastic and microwave..do that for years ,good chance for cancer.. get a toothache? infection? good luck.. prison food also is not a deterrent to keep you from going back after release.. a criminal is a criminal..

Gotcha Bronx.

Not to self, stay out of prison. I have good teeth and can only eat so much canned tuna before getting mercury poisoning

No hard feelings, Bronx. Difference of opinion is all it is.

for sure Moe, respectfully , hey Wheels what up, how is bklyn? been on 18th lately

Hey Bronx....I'm in about once every week or two. Stopped on 18th about a month ago for Chinese at Silver Star. That place hasn't changed a bit

next time back..a creamalatta..been a very long time..lol. you in NJ?

Watching Live PD and they stopped a couple who had a Penis Pump on them, it reminded me of Big Paul.

You have no clue what you are talking about, but keep talking anyway. You go out of your way to push crazed morality values that seem immoral on others. The army serves better food than inmates get, as it should be. In the army you eat off base, or get more portions at some bases. You seem to be on a mission to save us from becoming criminals, when none of us have it in mind. You want people to get angry at mobsters like you are, for God knows what reasons

Many inmates say they have to eat Kosher to avoid prison food. They get meals that are packaged outside, avoiding the pitfalls of prison food. It is said to be bland and often too salty, but they eat it rather than eat the prison food. It's a more common practice in city jails.

that is called "common fare" you have to be a jew or muslim to get it.. some guys say they converted to get the meal, but 99% of the time you do not get approved. lol

Notorious prison warden Joe Arpaio removed coffee from his prison's menu and when the inmates complained, Joe said "this isn't a resort. If you don't like it, don't come back".

I never heard the term, but thanks. I think that inmates have to declare it when they enter, if they try to do it after they are in it is tougher or impossible.

Pretty much every one of your posts is pro-mob propaganda defending mobsters and criticizing feds/police/government and yet you're calling out my motives for posting?

Former prison warden, convicted felon Joe Arpaio. Fixed it.

People serving in the army eat shit, too, but you don't hear them complaining.
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You have no clue what you are talking about, but keep talking anyway. You go out of your way to push crazed morality values that seem immoral on others. The army serves better food than inmates get, as it should be. In the army you eat off base, or get more portions at some bases. You seem to be on a mission to save us from becoming criminals, when none of us have it in mind. You want people to get angry at mobsters like you are, for God knows what reasons[/quote]

Pretty much every one of your posts is pro-mob propaganda defending mobsters and criticizing feds/police/government and yet you're calling out my motives for posting?

Ridiculous, I have never been pro or anti, just going for the truth in these conversations. For you to even think I am pro mob shows you can't read without a bias. Case closed.

We can expect to see a story in the news soon about a man trying to break into a prison. His reason will be he wanted the great food and luxurious treatment. It will be Moe Tilden.

I think John rushed the hit. He knew once Mr. Neil went, him and Fat Ange were fair game. Had he waited until sentencing the transition might have been smoother. Popping Thomas and Bilotti would’ve veen accepted better.

I can understand why he didn't go, but as a boss, I think showing up is what you do to instill confidence and respect in your men. Of course, I wonder if Chin would have gone to the funeral of his underboss?

I think If Chin went to his underboss's funeral he'd look bad showing up doing his crazy act. It might also be seen as disrespectful carrying on like hat at a funeral. I think Castelllano was smart to avoid the funeral. Just my opinion.

[quote=Jimmy_Two_Times]I can understand why he didn't go, but as a boss, I think showing up is what you do to instill confidence and respect in your men. Of course, I wonder if Chin would have gone to the funeral of his underboss?[

/quote] Honestly it didnt matter if he went or not the plan was already being discussed by that point. Also lets be honest without sammy and frankie coming on board the hit probably never happens

JC chin went to no wakes or weddings..if someone has info ,share it

Gotti went on a campaign spreading treason. Yeah Paul was a greedy fuck but Carlo left him in charge on his deathbed for a reason! He saw that times were changing.The blue collar rackets were coming to an end. I think the plan was to someday go semi-legitimate. Stealing is stealing! I just don’t think anyone predicted how stingy Castellano would be.


An Johnny Boy was no better. Here’s a guy who doesn’t mind spreading the money around but craves the spotlight. Although Sammy is a rat fuck... he did have it dead on about moving in the shadows. He recommended that he stay in Brooklyn, John in Queens, Joe Butch in Little Italy and Frankie Lo in the Bronx. Just think he may have had a ten year run before the Feds had an ironclad case.

Agree with pretty much everything you sai. Good Post

I thought It was Gravano spreading treason, he had his own partners killed by telling Gotti they were bad mouthing him behind his back. I don't think Gotti was smart enough to put all those captains together, and convince them to turn on Paul if they were loyal to Castelllano. Graavano says he was smart and knew more than John Gotti, if so how could Gotti convince him to go along? It doesn't seem to add up.

Castellano would've appreciated Gravano's entrepreneurialism when it came to stealing other people's rackets and making money hand over fist with construction etc.

Gravano didn't seem to have much in common with Gotti on the face of it. He was stoical and less flashy. I remember reading a story where they were having a conversation somewhere and they noticed a young guy staring at Gotti. Gravano asked Gotti if he wanted him to take care of it and Gotti said, "no, these are my public." or something to that effect. The man didn't have the tact to be the boss.

Gravano and De Cicco should've double crossed the double crosser and got in tight with Castellano instead. With guys like Castellano, Gallo, Failla and Armone ageing there was space for them to move up in the organization if everyone was just a bit less hasty and impulsive.

Gotti was the perfect boss for the 80's: all flash and no substance. Just like Madonna. Not Matthew Madonna, the other one.

Who is Sammy Black? There's virtually no information on him serving as Chin's underboss. Anyone know?