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Re: Little carmine crew in miami ?
[Re: MeyerLansky]
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10/21/16 12:04 AM
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If you give it fair thought, Carmine's health was never in question for a moment until the stroke and soon after death.
That said, Little Carmine operated in South Florida but do we honestly think he had a crew reporting to him there? He surely had associates, but as we know FLA crews traditionally earn quietly with little muscle as satellite faction's for larger NY crews.
Carmine was obviously direct with his father as far as reporting and thus had a title of Capo most likely, However, his businesses being largely legitimate I think he honestly may have just been quietly earning before he came back to New York. He was openly mocked by all as a widely known idiot until being finally introduced into the series. If you give it thought, he likely was just operating the porn company and other (semi) legitimate businesses with minimum associates to earn legitimately under the radar and stay out of risk, while living the high life in Miami as the son of a NY Boss.
It isn't until Carmine Sr. passes that Little Carmine rallies made Lupertazzi members with the help of Rusty and Angelo to form his faction, although it was widely the faction still loyal to Carmine Sr. reluctant to immediately accept the Sacramoni Faction so soon after Carmine died.
Food for thought to make the point, if Carmine was really operating a crew in Florida not just running personal businesses, why did Beansy have to set up action for Tony and Paulie while they were in the wind for the Willie Overall hit? If Little Carmine had been running a crew, who took it over and why weren't they point of contact for Tony? Surely if there was still a Little Carmine Crew in place Beansy wouldn't have to set up a stolen goods trade with a smaller local Cuban organization rather than an already established Lupertazzi FLA Crew loyal to Little Carmine, long time friend of Tony. This is what sells me on the idea that Carmine was operating independently without a traditional crew with in Miami.
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Re: Little carmine crew in miami ?
[Re: AllDay27]
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If you give it fair thought, Carmine's health was never in question for a moment until the stroke and soon after death.
That said, Little Carmine operated in South Florida but do we honestly think he had a crew reporting to him there? He surely had associates, but as we know FLA crews traditionally earn quietly with little muscle as satellite faction's for larger NY crews.
Carmine was obviously direct with his father as far as reporting and thus had a title of Capo most likely, However, his businesses being largely legitimate I think he honestly may have just been quietly earning before he came back to New York. He was openly mocked by all as a widely known idiot until being finally introduced into the series. If you give it thought, he likely was just operating the porn company and other (semi) legitimate businesses with minimum associates to earn legitimately under the radar and stay out of risk, while living the high life in Miami as the son of a NY Boss.
It isn't until Carmine Sr. passes that Little Carmine rallies made Lupertazzi members with the help of Rusty and Angelo to form his faction, although it was widely the faction still loyal to Carmine Sr. reluctant to immediately accept the Sacramoni Faction so soon after Carmine died.
Food for thought to make the point, if Carmine was really operating a crew in Florida not just running personal businesses, why did Beansy have to set up action for Tony and Paulie while they were in the wind for the Willie Overall hit? If Little Carmine had been running a crew, who took it over and why weren't they point of contact for Tony? Surely if there was still a Little Carmine Crew in place Beansy wouldn't have to set up a stolen goods trade with a smaller local Cuban organization rather than an already established Lupertazzi FLA Crew loyal to Little Carmine, long time friend of Tony. This is what sells me on the idea that Carmine was operating independently without a traditional crew with in Miami. Well maybe now carmine and AJ shooting porn, haha
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Re: Little carmine crew in miami ?
[Re: MeyerLansky]
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03/23/18 07:30 AM
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SimonChen
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So the Lupertazzi's are based on the genovese right ?? I dont think Lupertazzi should be based on any specific family in NY, if its Genovese, its own new jersy faction should be far stronger than Tonys little thing,.but in the show it seems tonys crew is on the top of new jersy i think that never happened in real life because ny families are always the mean power there.
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Re: Little carmine crew in miami ?
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They're all composites of several families and real people.
There's no way the DiMeo family is based entirely on the DeCavalcantes, not with the power they have, although a lot of season 1 was certainly based on the Decavs. David Chase himself said a lot of the Sopranos are based on Richie The Boot Boiardo's crew, that ran Newark when he was growing up in the 60s. That's a Genovese crew.
A lot of law enforcement thinks Tony is based on a certain Lucchese guy in Jersey. Forget his name.
I think the only real DeCav representation was the war between Tony and Junior in season 1, which was undoubtedly based on Charles Majuri's war with Vinny Palermo. An acting boss, dying of cancer, appointed the ruling panel instead of giving Majuri the throne, which he felt he deserved.
The Gambinos had a lot of influence on the Decavs in the 80s and 90s. I'm sure the Lupertazzis are based partly on the Gambinos. Phil Leotardo's complaints about how Jersey doesn't make guys the right way were similar to things Gotti said.
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Re: Little carmine crew in miami ?
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08/14/18 01:29 PM
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They're all composites of several families and real people. Yep, that's it. The Sopranos are not based on just one family, but rather an amalgamation of the DeCavs and several Jersey based crews of NY families, especially the Luccheses and Genoveses. The same goes for the Lupertazzis, they are also a mix. Chase talked about this in multiple interviews..
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Re: Little carmine crew in miami ?
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The Lupertazzi crime family is definitely based on the Gambino’s. All of the dissension and back biting for control. Remember we didn’t know for sure what the Genovese administration really looked like until the early 21st century! On another note I’ve always wondered if Carmine clipped someone to get his button or was it simply because of nepotism? I doubt he would have ever been involved in the heavy work. They did a great job portraying him as someone who got what he got through his father only. Him and his wet t shirt contest and scaffolding contracts lol.
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