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Re: What's happening in Italian LCN in LA?
[Re: NickyfromTampa]
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@Nicky from Tempa
By the way Frauenfels Ndrina is completely independent.
I see your point. So i give you right if we talk about a new family. But American Mafia exist there. So the need only new Blood and i think there are more then enough. So 5 or 10 guys (without arrest) are more than enough. If it necessary got to New York and take some guys from there. Mafia is a elite thing not a mass organization. But they die out. And again it is not enough to say " of course they had no neighborhood.
Another thing is American Mafia can change the rules. So they don't need to ask Palermo. In fact LA don't need ask New York for new rules about new members. They can give mixed blood made member status or work with non-italians( like Chicago). So my guess is they hadn't enough business on the run. Not enough White dollar connection. So young guys don't need them. After a while they lost muscles and cannot protect his business and members get older. So they disappear. (exception is Tommy Gambino this guy is a mystery for me).
Another scenario is LA mafia never (or only Dragna) exist as a independent group and chicago and Cleveland was not interested to the refresh the group in the late 90's. So only Gambino with his New York connection "survive".
For SF i think is the other way around. They was verry successful and lost the interest in street/crime stuff.
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Re: What's happening in Italian LCN in LA?
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https://www.laweekly.com/restaurant...the-patriarch-of-eastside-market-2382445Why Doesn't Los Angeles Have a Little Italy? Actually, Los Angeles did have a Little Italy for over a century. It started in the 1800's on Olvera Street and North Main, when Los Angeles was a Mexican puebla. By the turn of the 20th century, Los Angeles's Little Italy had expanded into present-day Chinatown and eventually to Lincoln Heights and the foothills of Elysian Park. Johnny Angiuli, owner of Eastside Market Italian Deli, can wax nostalgic for hours about the hillside neighborhood, just above Chinatown where his deli is located, that was still a thriving Italian enclave when he immigrated here in 1956 from Adelphia, Italy, at the age of twelve. The market portion of Eastside Market is long gone. As upwardly mobile Italians moved out of Little Italy, the demand for Italian and Mediterranean produce waned. By the time Johnny Angiuli purchased the market in 1974 from Sam Pontrelli and George Laricchia, after having worked there for fifteen years, he knew times were changing. He converted the market section of the store into a dining room and introduced hot foods to the deli. Angiuli has seen the neighborhood turnover many times from good to bad to good again. The 1970s, in particular, was a lean decade, when the neighborhood was at a crossroads with an ever-diminishing and aging Italian population and influxes of decidedly non-Mediterranean residents. This isn't entirely true. There are a lot of Italians in Northeast LA and East LA county, even in Lincoln Heights. Since the boomers, they've embraced the Chicano culture that now dominates the region. Many Latinos in California have Italian lineage, due to intermarrying between the cultures. I'm sorry if these older Italians that contribute to these articles have too much pride in their "Mediterranean" lineage to accept it, but it's the truth. Italians that grew up in Latino areas of California have their "Brown Card". The two cultures have largely embraced each other since the 1960s.
"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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Re: What's happening in Italian LCN in LA?
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There are still members in Los Angeles, but the family is defunct. Overall excluding the former L.A. family members. The Gambino family has three made members in the area, the Genovese family has one member, the Outfit has two members, Detroit has one maybe two members in the area, Colombos only has one member and the last known made member on the west coast, Bonanno family has two or maybe one member as Ronnie has not been kicking anything up since the 1990's. Then you have a bunch of associates and half-ass wiseguys in the area. That is it for American LCN, then you get into the Sicilians and Italy members who operate in the drug trade, some with connections to Canada and South America.
Oaks is right in his post about the majority of those with Italian ancestry in SoCal, even in Nor-Cal.
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Re: What's happening in Italian LCN in LA?
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Hollander .tommy never spent a day in prison, his father did more than twenty, but was deported and is a member of sicily.hope that helps You´re right my friend the father did the time. The sons Tommy and Anthony have no record. Rosario "Sal" Gambino (Tommy's father)was a sicilians from pizza connection and was expelled from the USA in 2009,in Italy he was sentenced in absentia for a 40 kg of heroin found in Milan in 1983 but in 2014 in appeal the sentenced was overtuned and he is free from then.
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Re: What's happening in Italian LCN in LA?
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Hollander .tommy never spent a day in prison, his father did more than twenty, but was deported and is a member of sicily.hope that helps Bronx do you think tommy is a capo of some sort of gambino crew in LA ? I hear that Tommy Gambino taked what remained of the L.A. crew under the Gambinos umbrella. This sounds very believable. I'm guessing that anyone made under Milano looking to put money on the street today is answering to the Gambinos. And, even with that, we're talking, what, some bookmaking and loan sharking? If even that? Very, very slim piece of the pie left in LA's underworld for Italians. They'd make more just working for a living.
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Re: What's happening in Italian LCN in LA?
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In Fratiano's book and interviews So, we all know about the LCN influence in NYC and Las Vegas, but what was the overall level of power of LCN in LA?
And how does the LCN influence compare today in NYC, after Giuliani?
Was the LCN screwed even before Giuliani - and after 911 - gave rise to greater police powers on every street corner?
(Not wanting to say no to police vigilance on the streets of NYC, just asking a question.... ) They were in trouble way before Giuliani. I think LA is dead and New York is still active, but with low quality members compared to the older generation, I have to read Frattiano's book and see what he says about the state of LA when he was in it. "low quality" ?! no one knows that ! since 911 the lcn have rest from the feds so they rebuilding themselves, and they are on very low profile almost no knows who the bosses of any family in ny... don't get me wrong i understand your comment buddy cause it looks like they are weak, but imo they are rebuilding themselves. but no one really knows the truth.
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