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Persico and Rusty Rastelli
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08/19/18 04:07 PM
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Zavattoni
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These two are most likely the worse bosses seen in modern times. Rusty would not drop the mantle of Boss; until he got sick and died in the early 90's. He let a powerful captain in Carmine Galante take near total control of the family. Didn't work out for Cigars. Rusty was in and out or prison and only kept control through Massino; Without Massino; I believe Rusty would have been disposed.
On the other hand;
Persico; Has ran the family since the 70's. He's been in and out of prison his whole life; Only keeping control in prison via blood family members. He was briefly out on the streets; I believe in 79-81. Has control today; and hasn't had any resistance since Orena.
I have several questions here.
1. How did the other commission members feel about these two; Speaking specifically about Big Paul, Ducks Corallo; and Chin Gigante. 2. How was Persico on the streets as Boss in the 79-81? Was he respected at all by his contemporaries? 3. What years was Rusty out on the street as Boss? I don't recall any dates.
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Re: Persico and Rusty Rastelli
[Re: Serpiente]
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08/19/18 04:36 PM
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Carmine has not been the boss for years and years So he just holds the title ''Boss'' while some of his blood family hold the power? @ Moe; I knew he was on the lamb; but he wasn't carrying out boss duties and meeting with his underlings during that time. I know from 79'-81'. He was on the streets on parole and carrying out traditional boss duties. etc: attending commission meetings; business dealings, and meeting with underlings.
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Re: Persico and Rusty Rastelli
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08/19/18 04:49 PM
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Great question I think Carmine is just a figure head at this point and who really want the boss seat .I believe Carmine only hold the boss seat because of blood family members and being made before 1957.
Last edited by F_white; 08/19/18 04:51 PM. Reason: A
From now on, nothing goes down unless I'm involved. No blackjack no dope deals, no nothing. A nickel bag gets sold in the park, I want in. You guys got fat while everybody starved on the street. Now it's my turn.
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Re: Persico and Rusty Rastelli
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08/19/18 11:51 PM
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First of all, Carmine Persico was not on the lam from 1981-mid '80s. He was arrested in 1981, served a couple years in prison and was out of jail just in time for his next indictment. He only served a few months on the run before Fred DeChristopher gave him up.
Second, don't buy into anything that says the Persicos don't have any power anymore. There is no evidence whatsoever to support that. The last known acting boss was Andrew Russo, Carmine's first cousin who has been nothing but loyal to the Persicos since the 1970s. Before him was Ralph DeLeo, who had a panel under him helping run things. DeLeo was only brought into the family through Little Allie Boy, whom he met in prison. And although we don't know all the members of the panel beneath him, we know that Theodore Persico Jr. was, and we also know that Teddy Jr. was being groomed to take the reigns. We also know that, in the last known (aborted) making ceremony, the Persico influence was still strong even in the younger generations. You had Angelo Spata, the son-in-law of Carmine. You had Francis Guerra, Little Allie Boy's close friend in the 1990s. And you had Ilario Sessa, a staunch Persico loyalist during the war who was shot at by Orena rebels. So, in short, all the evidence at hand points to the fact that the Persico brood is still firmly in charge. I know it's interesting to suggest that there are other forces at play, but just look at the evidence. Unless some enormous leadership shakeup happened from 2011 to today, the Persicos are still in charge, and they still have significant allies and sway on the streets.
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Re: Persico and Rusty Rastelli
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08/20/18 03:49 PM
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Re: your first paragraph, who are you correcting there? Zavattoni said Carmine was on the streets as boss from 79-81. You said, no he was on the lam until the mid-80s. Which can make people assume he was on the streets from 79 until the mid-80s. Or it can even make people assume he was on the lam from 81 until the mid-1980s.
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Re: Persico and Rusty Rastelli
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08/20/18 05:08 PM
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he was found at a house on long island or staten in1985 . i rememebr the cousin of andy russo rated him out. he testified at the commission trial. carmine qustioned him on the stand and if turned bad for all the bosses Fred DeChristopher was the brother-in-law of Andrew Russo, not the cousin. DeChristopher housed him for his few months on the lam. He was indicted in October 1984 and DeChristopher gave him up in February of 1985.
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Re: Persico and Rusty Rastelli
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08/20/18 05:27 PM
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Re: your first paragraph, who are you correcting there? Zavattoni said Carmine was on the streets as boss from 79-81. You said, no he was on the lam until the mid-80s. Which can make people assume he was on the streets from 79 until the mid-80s. Or it can even make people assume he was on the lam from 81 until the mid-1980s. I think you're being pedantic. I was simply pointing out that he was on the streets longer than he implied. I think most people can infer that.
I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
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Re: Persico and Rusty Rastelli
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08/20/18 06:26 PM
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its strange what a weirdo super prosecutor rudy giuliani has become. could you imagine all the crooked shit he did to get a win. he nuts They are always bending / breaking the law also it’s different when you are fighting crime just ask them . Carmine had very limited time on the street as boss but he had 40 years on the street and was one of the guys that every boss wanted in his family Carmine knew every dam racket there was he had guys in everything. That’s where he gets the respect from and knowing he will kill anyone.
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Re: Persico and Rusty Rastelli
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08/24/18 02:30 AM
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How did the other commission members feel about these two; Speaking specifically about Big Paul, Ducks Corallo; and Chin Gigante.
I don't think the Genovese family were too fond of Rusty. In this documentary, they have audio of Tony Salerno saying that he told someone 80 times they can't sit on the Commission. I presume he's referring to Rastelli. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzSGUs-_zQk&t=1456sAlso I have read in several places that Chin was backing Sonny Red in the Bonanno family conflict. Not too sure about Persico. Can't think of any instance of them badmouthing him off the top of my head though. Like Serpiente said, he didn't have much time out of prison as boss, but 40 years to build his reputation beforehand.
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Re: Persico and Rusty Rastelli
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08/24/18 03:39 PM
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@MightyDR
I might be wrong, but I think Fat Tony was talking about a Bonanno drug crew.....
He was saying Rastelli could be boss, but their family was TOO caught up in drugs to be on the Commision or near any of the other bosses......
I think he said something like, " they're junk guys, they got a crew with 80 guys".... something like that... I'm not sure if he said 80 times.....
It's one of the main reasons I've always felt the Bonnanos were the trusted NY distributors of Sicilian heroin...... Whereas all the other American wiseguys were threatened with " Deal and Die"...
I'm sure he said 80 times, but totally agree about the Bonannos and drugs. I'm pretty sure Vincent Cafaro said something along the lines of all he knew about the Bonannos was that they were all into drugs. Salerno said something like that on another wiretap. Which does make it odd that Gigante was backing Sonny Red, a known trafficker, to be boss.
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