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Re: another mob guy murdered
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09/19/18 03:32 PM
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The Cotroni family is still with the Bonanno's. With Lavarone murder, the plotters might be luring Joe out, as Pat Musitano will be too paranoid to come out of hiding. How many strong are they? Where are they located? Montreal? Southern Québec and Ontario, membership is unknown. I read a truce was signed between the Sicilians and Cotronis in 2012, after the release of Vito Rizzuto, with the blessing of Cosa Nostra and 'Ndrangheta.
"The king is dead, long live the king!"
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Re: another mob guy murdered
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09/19/18 10:43 PM
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Re: another mob guy murdered
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09/20/18 10:00 AM
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Re: another mob guy murdered
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09/20/18 10:22 AM
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The Cotroni family is still with the Bonanno's. With Lavarone murder, the plotters might be luring Joe out, as Pat Musitano will be too paranoid to come out of hiding. How many strong are they? Where are they located? Montreal? Southern Québec and Ontario, membership is unknown. I read a truce was signed between the Sicilians and Cotronis in 2012, after the release of Vito Rizzuto, with the blessing of Cosa Nostra and 'Ndrangheta. Would like to see a source. There was a meeting in October 2012 in Toronto but no specification about a truce between the Cotronis and Rizzuto let alone a war between them. After this meeting Di Maulo, senior member of the old Cotroni group, was killed. Did the Cotronis sell him out in order for peace? I doubt it. Personally I don't think there was much animosity between the Cotroni and Rizzuto blood families.
"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
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Re: another mob guy murdered
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09/20/18 11:01 AM
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Re: another mob guy murdered
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09/20/18 11:31 AM
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Jaw-dropping details revealed in the news conference. I'll type up my notes and then post them here. If someone else posts details, I'll make sure not to repeat them when I post. In the interim: https://twitter.com/HamiltonPolice/status/1042795518370430976Hamilton Police @HamiltonPolice Hamilton Police Service, @YRP and @RCMPONT announce arrest of Jabril Hassan Abdalla, 27, of #HamOnt for the murders of Angelo Musitano & Mila Barberi. Canada-wide warrants issued for Michael Cudmore, 37 & Daniel Mario Tomassetti, 27. Call 905-546-4167 if you have information. 11:20 AM - 20 Sep 2018
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Re: another mob guy murdered
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09/20/18 12:01 PM
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The Cotroni family is still with the Bonanno's. With Lavarone murder, the plotters might be luring Joe out, as Pat Musitano will be too paranoid to come out of hiding. How many strong are they? Where are they located? Montreal? Southern Québec and Ontario, membership is unknown. I read a truce was signed between the Sicilians and Cotronis in 2012, after the release of Vito Rizzuto, with the blessing of Cosa Nostra and 'Ndrangheta. Would like to see a source. There was a meeting in October 2012 in Toronto but no specification about a truce between the Cotronis and Rizzuto let alone a war between them. After this meeting Di Maulo, senior member of the old Cotroni group, was killed. Did the Cotronis sell him out in order for peace? I doubt it. Personally I don't think there was much animosity between the Cotroni and Rizzuto blood families. Di Maulo murder could also be revenge for the murder of Sal Montagna not the Rizzutos.
"The king is dead, long live the king!"
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Re: another mob guy murdered
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09/20/18 12:24 PM
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Jaw-dropping details revealed in the news conference. I'll type up my notes and then post them here. If someone else posts details, I'll make sure not to repeat them when I post. In the interim: https://twitter.com/HamiltonPolice/status/1042795518370430976Hamilton Police @HamiltonPolice Hamilton Police Service, @YRP and @RCMPONT announce arrest of Jabril Hassan Abdalla, 27, of #HamOnt for the murders of Angelo Musitano & Mila Barberi. Canada-wide warrants issued for Michael Cudmore, 37 & Daniel Mario Tomassetti, 27. Call 905-546-4167 if you have information. 11:20 AM - 20 Sep 2018 My notes: - Jabril Hassan Abdalla was arrested at home yesterday at around 3:00 pm. He lives in Hamilton and is from Hamilton. - Michael Cudmore and Daniel Mario Tomassetti are at large. There are Canada-wide warrants for their arrest, and law enforcement here will try to get the warrants endorsed internationally -- Interpol was mentioned. - The three individuals were involved in different ways in the murder of Angelo Musitano and attempted murder of Saverio "Sam" Serrano (one of Diego Serrano's three sons; you'll recall that the latter attempt, which was botched, resulted in the murder of Saverio's girlfriend, Mila Barberi). One of the three is believed to be the shooter in both murders. All three were likely doing the bidding of higher-ups in an Italian organized-crime group, i.e., the three were not the masterminds. The three engaged in sophisticated surveillance not only of the intended targets but of the intended targets' families. Cudmore, who is believed to be missing (as opposed to at large), is a friend of criminal Daniele "Danny" Ranieri. - Ranieri was considered to be a person of interest in both murder plots. Were he still alive, he would still be a person of interest. You see, Ranieri, one of the people on which Project Forza was focused in December 2014, was found murdered in a ditch in Cancún, Mexico this past March. He had been bound and gagged. You'll recall that he was an associate of Spanish-born Juan Ramon Fernandez, aka Joe Bravo, who as a well-known associate of Vito Rizzuto, died in a shocking manner in Casteldaccia, just outside of Palermo, when he and friend Fernando Pimentel of Mississauga, Ontario were found burned and shot. You may also reecall that while in Sicily, Fernandez was heard saying in audio surveillance something along the lines of, They better not touch Danny. After Fernandez was murdered, there was speculation that Ranieri would take over the former's "crew" in the Greater Toronto Area, which was considered to have ties to Rizzuto and the Montreal Mafia. - At some point, Cudmore's family has (had?) been told about Ranieri's murder, and the family, as well as law enforcement, now fears that Cudmore has also been killed in Mexico. - The recently murdered Al Iavarone knew two of the accused in the Musitano murder. Iavarone also knew a person of interest in the plot to murder Musitano. Iavarone knew Musitano. - Law enforcement does not yet know whether there is a common motive for the murder of Musitano and the attempted murder of Serrano. - Apart from the investigations being multi-jurisdictional here in Canada, there was also co-operation with the FBI, DEA, and Department of Homeland Security (which I think had to do with Ranieri's and Cudmore's presence in Mexico). The Mexican authorities have also been assisting.
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Re: another mob guy murdered
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09/20/18 01:06 PM
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https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/arrest-m...rganized-crime-related-murders-1.4101764Arrest made, international manhunt underway in organized crime-related murders "In March of this year, Ranieri’s body was found bound in a ditch in Cancun." Police say Ranieri was handed the reins to run Rizzuto’s GTA operations after the April 2013 murder of Juan Ramon Fernandez, who lived in Mississauga under the name “Joey Bravo.â€
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Re: another mob guy murdered
[Re: antimafia]
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09/20/18 02:26 PM
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NickleCity
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If Ranieri was a person of interest in the murder of Musitano, does this mean the Musitano crime group was no longer allied with Vito Rizzuto and the Montreal Mafia? When did the alliance break? Former Hamilton Police Service undercover officer Paul Manning seems to have known who was involved in Musitano's murder, as well as what happened to some of the the suspects in Mexico earlier this year. Go to https://twitter.com/markalanwhittle/status/982649393269522432 -- a tweet from April 7, 2018 -- and follow the thread, including replies. I saw that... It seems Paul Manning knows what he's talking about. Some have questioned his knowledge on some other boards. Definitely lends credibility to what he told Pete Edwards about Buffalo in the article earlier this week.
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Re: another mob guy murdered
[Re: bronx]
#953603
09/20/18 03:06 PM
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Re: another mob guy murdered
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09/20/18 04:04 PM
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A Twitter user -- he and I follow each other -- speculated about the two crime groups that are at odds with each other. See https://twitter.com/donhanzel/status/1042814455715905536.I think he's arguing that Domenico and Giuseppe Violi lost their backing from individuals in Buffalo because the Violis attended the Bonanno induction ceremony. Holy Crap this is getting good!
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Re: another mob guy murdered
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09/20/18 04:06 PM
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If Ranieri was a person of interest in the murder of Musitano, does this mean the Musitano crime group was no longer allied with Vito Rizzuto and the Montreal Mafia? When did the alliance break? Former Hamilton Police Service undercover officer Paul Manning seems to have known who was involved in Musitano's murder, as well as what happened to some of the the suspects in Mexico earlier this year. Go to https://twitter.com/markalanwhittle/status/982649393269522432 -- a tweet from April 7, 2018 -- and follow the thread, including replies. I asked myself the same question about Musitano's no longer being allied with the Rizzuto's and another question also came to mind about the Cuntrera's they were also being targeted in the GTA. Is the Ruzzuto clan targeting them also for doing business with the Calabrians?
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Re: another mob guy murdered
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09/20/18 04:21 PM
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Re: another mob guy murdered
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09/20/18 04:28 PM
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Sonny_Black
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A Twitter user -- he and I follow each other -- speculated about the two crime groups that are at odds with each other. See https://twitter.com/donhanzel/status/1042814455715905536.I think he's arguing that Domenico and Giuseppe Violi lost their backing from individuals in Buffalo because the Violis attended the Bonanno induction ceremony. Not sure what that has to do with the murder of Angelo Musitano. Who is saying the Violis lost the backing of Buffalo? If anything, the Luppino-Violis as possible remaining Buffalo family members are enacting revenge for the murder of Papalia. That would make a lot more sense to me. Crazy to think the Musitanos are now allied with Buffalo members against the Violis.
"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
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Re: another mob guy murdered
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#953613
09/20/18 04:40 PM
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A Twitter user -- he and I follow each other -- speculated about the two crime groups that are at odds with each other. See https://twitter.com/donhanzel/status/1042814455715905536.I think he's arguing that Domenico and Giuseppe Violi lost their backing from individuals in Buffalo because the Violis attended the Bonanno induction ceremony. Not sure what that has to do with the murder of Angelo Musitano. Who is saying the Violis lost the backing of Buffalo? If anything, the Luppino-Violis as possible remaining Buffalo family members are enacting revenge for the murder of Papalia. That would make a lot more sense to me. Crazy to think the Musitanos are now allied with Buffalo members against the Violis. I think Giacomo Vicari indicated Buffalo ordered the Pops hit in 97... thought it was strange... but who knows nowadays. Maybe he was right.
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