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Re: another mob guy murdered
[Re: NickleCity]
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09/28/18 01:28 PM
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The theory that Buffalo would give the go ahead, permission or contract to the Musitano's to have Papalia hit, does not make sense in my opinion. The Rizzuto's being behind it is more believable. They were allies with the Musitano's.
I believe more Peter Edwards and Antonio Nicasso's theory that Rizzuto wanted to expand into Ontario and Papalia,Violi and Luppino's were in his way.
Let's entertain that Buffalo gave permission then the Luppino/Violi's would have to have been consulted and be part of the decision because of their long history with the Buffalo crime family. What benefit would the Luppino's get from this. All that would do is give more power to their enemies. Rizzuto and Musitano's were allies and the Rizzuto's are no friends of the Luppino/Violi's. Can both be true? Would it be too much of a stretch that Buffalo was fed up with Pops and signed off on the hit because he had Angelo run over and Pasquale beat up? Did the Rizzuto's use this bad blood to expand into Ontario? Did Buffalo get a piece for allowing this to happened? Weren't the Musitanos know to be allies of Buffalo too? This raises a lot of questions. One thing is for sure Edwards is knowledgable and reputable, and we shouldn't dismiss what he wrote in Business or Blood. While you were writing your message I was revising my message and entertained the fact they can both be the case. Refer to my previous message.
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Re: another mob guy murdered
[Re: Sonny_Black]
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09/28/18 01:34 PM
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The theory that Buffalo would give the go ahead, permission or contract to the Musitano's to have Papalia hit, does not make sense in my opinion. If does if you understand how the Mafia works. Perhaps Papalia had fallen out of favor with Buffalo and had become disposable. I think the Rizzutos could've gotten into trouble with the admin in New York (Sciascia still being alive) if Buffalo wouldn't have sanctioned the hit and people having to answer for it. This is exactly what happened with Panepinto. Since nobody did answer for it (unless Angelo's murder was related) it makes a lot of sense. I believe more Peter Edwards and Antonio Nicasso's theory that Rizzuto wanted to expand into Ontario and Papalia,Violi and Luppino's were in his way. Then why didn't they just kill them all? Why leave the vengeful kids of Paolo Violi alive? Because Mafia politics protected their safety. Too many people opposed to it (Toronto and New York) so they couldn't do it. Let's entertain that Buffalo gave permission then the Luppino/Violi's would have to have been consulted and be part of the decision because of their long history with the Buffalo crime family. The Luppinos didn't need to be consulted at all if Buffalo gave permission as Papalia was a member of their family. If they gave permission, that'll be it. My responses were based on the long standing relationship between the Luppino's and Buffalo. What happens in Hamilton affects the Luppino's. It is common sense that your business associates would be consulted. and why he didn't go after the Violi sons was obviously a change of heart for precisely the same reasons you gave.
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Re: another mob guy murdered
[Re: Ciment]
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09/28/18 02:44 PM
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What happens in Hamilton affects the Luppino's. It is common sense that your business associates would be consulted.
and why he didn't go after the Violi sons was obviously a change of heart for precisely the same reasons you gave.
It would be better for business perhaps (hence why Montagna consulted so many people), but if Buffalo decided to kill Papalia (or sanction his murder) the Luppinos could do nothing else than go along with it since it would be a family matter. Yes, there is nothing the Luppino's can do, but on the other hand the Luppino's can decide to form an alliance with other New York families that will gain their respect. This is why common sense prevails. Really depends on the relationship between the Luppinos and Papalia.
"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
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Re: another mob guy murdered
[Re: Sonny_Black]
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09/28/18 03:18 PM
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What happens in Hamilton affects the Luppino's. It is common sense that your business associates would be consulted.
and why he didn't go after the Violi sons was obviously a change of heart for precisely the same reasons you gave.
It would be better for business perhaps (hence why Montagna consulted so many people), but if Buffalo decided to kill Papalia (or sanction his murder) the Luppinos could do nothing else than go along with it since it would be a family matter. Yes, there is nothing the Luppino's can do, but on the other hand the Luppino's can decide to form an alliance with other New York families that will gain their respect. This is why common sense prevails. Really depends on the relationship between the Luppinos and Papalia. Yes, it does but the Luppino's would also be cautious of the Musitano's gaining more power or territory.
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Re: another mob guy murdered
[Re: Sonny_Black]
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09/29/18 10:45 AM
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The theory that Buffalo would give the go ahead, permission or contract to the Musitano's to have Papalia hit, does not make sense in my opinion. If does if you understand how the Mafia works. Perhaps Papalia had fallen out of favor with Buffalo and had become disposable. I think the Rizzutos could've gotten into trouble with the admin in New York (Sciascia still being alive) if Buffalo wouldn't have sanctioned the hit and people having to answer for it. This is exactly what happened with Panepinto. Since nobody did answer for it (unless Angelo's murder was related) it makes a lot of sense. I believe more Peter Edwards and Antonio Nicasso's theory that Rizzuto wanted to expand into Ontario and Papalia,Violi and Luppino's were in his way. Then why didn't they just kill them all? Why leave the vengeful kids of Paolo Violi alive? Because Mafia politics protected their safety. Too many people opposed to it (Toronto and New York) so they couldn't do it. Let's entertain that Buffalo gave permission then the Luppino/Violi's would have to have been consulted and be part of the decision because of their long history with the Buffalo crime family. The Luppinos didn't need to be consulted at all if Buffalo gave permission as Papalia was a member of their family. If they gave permission, that'll be it. What about the fact that Papilia and Boriello borrowed $7,200,000 from Nicolo Rizzuto, and he wanted to get paid back, neither one made any effort to pay him the money back. $7,200,000 that is a BIG slap in the face. .
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Re: another mob guy murdered
[Re: BensonHURST]
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09/29/18 03:31 PM
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What about the fact that Papilia and Boriello borrowed $7,200,000 from Nicolo Rizzuto, and he wanted to get paid back, neither one made any effort to pay him the money back.
$7,200,000 that is a BIG slap in the face. Could be a legitimate reason, also for Buffalo to go along. In my opinion you do not go to the remnants of a defunct familyal and ask their permission to whack on e of them.
You just whack em, and say F.U. You can't do anything aabout it.
In 1997 Buffalo was still a viable family.
"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
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Re: another mob guy murdered
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11/17/18 11:46 AM
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