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Re: What made Gotti so likeable?
[Re: JCrusher]
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10/04/18 11:49 AM
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Also the 4th of July parties were for HIS benefit. Having the neighborhood on your side to give you info on cops/fbi watching him was his goal. Exactly. It was the same on Mulberry. Citizens preventing the authorities from doing surveillance on criminal elements in their neighborhood. How is this tolerable? You think people like Gotti give a crap about all the 17 year old and 18 year old neighborhood kids who ended up with criminal records because mobsters used them, took advantage of them and got them to riot and destroy public property in his name?
I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
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Re: What made Gotti so likeable?
[Re: JCrusher]
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10/04/18 11:50 AM
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I would've thought it was common knowledge to anybody with a cursory interest in the mob that Gotti's crew were heavy into drug deals and financing drug deals. Gene Gotti, Junior, his grandsons all deal/dealt drugs.
It's also being confirmed that the 4th of July parties, again financed with drug money and not out of Gotti's pocket, were done not out of benevolence, but to influence criminal elements against the government and Feds.
Just like it's being confirmed in myriad sources that Gotti had people orchestrating the riots outside the courthouse after his sentence.
I mean, if you have proof to the contrary I would love to hear it and will retract what I said.
Yup. Always thought this was common knowledge as well and that it was actually one of the reasons they got backlash from the Castellano faction. The drug involvement that is.
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Re: What made Gotti so likeable?
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10/04/18 12:18 PM
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I would've thought it was common knowledge to anybody with a cursory interest in the mob that Gotti's crew were heavy into drug deals and financing drug deals. Gene Gotti, Junior, his grandsons all deal/dealt drugs.
It's also being confirmed that the 4th of July parties, again financed with drug money and not out of Gotti's pocket, were done not out of benevolence, but to influence criminal elements against the government and Feds.
Just like it's being confirmed in myriad sources that Gotti had people orchestrating the riots outside the courthouse after his sentence.
I mean, if you have proof to the contrary I would love to hear it and will retract what I said.
Yup. Always thought this was common knowledge as well and that it was actually one of the reasons they got backlash from the Castellano faction. The drug involvement that is. Exactly. What makes me laugh is when people defend gotti by saying"oh he would never sell drugs" But they leave out the fact that he knew about it and profited from it. So it showed he was a shitty capo and obviously didnt care that drugs were sold
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Re: What made Gotti so likeable?
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10/04/18 10:55 PM
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Also the 4th of July parties were for HIS benefit. Having the neighborhood on your side to give you info on cops/fbi watching him was his goal. Exactly. It was the same on Mulberry. Citizens preventing the authorities from doing surveillance on criminal elements in their neighborhood. How is this tolerable? You think people like Gotti give a crap about all the 17 year old and 18 year old neighborhood kids who ended up with criminal records because mobsters used them, took advantage of them and got them to riot and destroy public property in his name? A myth put out by the FBI and media.
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Re: What made Gotti so likeable?
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10/05/18 01:36 AM
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Also the 4th of July parties were for HIS benefit. Having the neighborhood on your side to give you info on cops/fbi watching him was his goal. Exactly. It was the same on Mulberry. Citizens preventing the authorities from doing surveillance on criminal elements in their neighborhood. How is this tolerable? You think people like Gotti give a crap about all the 17 year old and 18 year old neighborhood kids who ended up with criminal records because mobsters used them, took advantage of them and got them to riot and destroy public property in his name? A myth put out by the FBI and media. i call horseshit on that one
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Re: What made Gotti so likeable?
[Re: JCrusher]
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10/05/18 07:51 AM
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Moe_Tilden
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Also the 4th of July parties were for HIS benefit. Having the neighborhood on your side to give you info on cops/fbi watching him was his goal. Exactly. It was the same on Mulberry. Citizens preventing the authorities from doing surveillance on criminal elements in their neighborhood. How is this tolerable? You think people like Gotti give a crap about all the 17 year old and 18 year old neighborhood kids who ended up with criminal records because mobsters used them, took advantage of them and got them to riot and destroy public property in his name? A myth put out by the FBI and media. i call horseshit on that one I'll always remember seeing Bruce Mouw talk about the way ordinary people were duped, specifically younger people, by John Gotti and his family into believing the Robin Hood esque myths about him, while ignoring the part about his destructive role on society. He actually got a little bit emotional about it. It struck me as very sincere. But I imagine if I had a similar job in trying to do something constructive for the good of society and the media almost makes a conscious effort to portray the criminality you're fighting as glamorous to impressionable people I'd probably get pretty disenchanted. I guess we are talking about a society where a few years before these events people were literally spitting on Vietnam vets, so there you go.
I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
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Re: What made Gotti so likeable?
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10/05/18 11:18 PM
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How do you get spitting on vets from Gotti and his Fourth of July parties? All over the United States people set off fireworks and threw parties, Gotti did it and it became an issue to people. Also, Bruce Mouw was more of a racketeer than Gotti, he made a fortune off Gotti by raising him up in public eye at the same time he portrays himself as the Elliot Ness of the FBI.
So now Bruce Mouw is a racketeer? I get the sense you dont like any cops or FBI. Now Granted there have been some bad ones obviously i will never deny that. But most were simply doing their job. As i said before those 4th of July parties were not because he gave two shits about those people. Unfortunetly many of Those people were naive and gullible. Aren't you possibly being the gullible one? How can you know how Gotti felt about the people of the are he hung out in? You can't. Mouw is the one who built up Gotti's image to enhance his own reputation. He had a squad of agents with one goal of getting Gotti, and stayed on that gravy train for years. If you believe all his propaganda yet say others are gullible you need to rethink things. Nah im not gullible...Nobody influences my beliefs. I guess i dont respect murderers
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Re: What made Gotti so likeable?
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10/05/18 11:41 PM
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No need to apologize I don't respect murderers either, and I do not expect others to do that. I am just trying to be objective in looking at organized crime and the topics around it such as this one.
im not apologizing it was sarcasm lol. I thought you calling me gullible was ridiculous tbh. I'm trying to be polite and avoid a dispute. i didnt do anything. You called me gullible. I feel im very objective about gotti. But im not gonna sit here and say he was some great person for neighborhood. All you have to do is listen to his jailtapes to get a sense of what type of person he was. Those are HIS words
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Re: What made Gotti so likeable?
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10/05/18 11:54 PM
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jace
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His jail tapes were released selectively by the feds, and against the law too. So they make laws and disregard them yet put others in prisons for it. The tapes were not that bad, he was in a tough prison, for life and went on a rant. How would you handle it? He was likable, get over it. Too bad he was not still alive, you could write him and ask for advice on how to be more likable. I will also go by the people of his neighborhood over anyone who Neve was living there. He was liked in Ozone Park, Howard Beach, and all over Manhattan. Before he was well known he had many friends, he had to have a likable quality about him. It's fact.
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Re: What made Gotti so likeable?
[Re: jace]
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10/06/18 12:01 AM
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His jail tapes were released selectively by the feds, and against the law too. So they make laws and disregard them yet put others in prisons for it. The tapes were not that bad, he was in a tough prison, for life and went on a rant. How would you handle it? He was likable, get over it. Too bad he was not still alive, you could write him and ask for advice on how to be more likable. I will also go by the people of his neighborhood over anyone who Neve was living there. He was liked in Ozone Park, Howard Beach, and all over Manhattan. Before he was well known he had many friends, he had to have a likable quality about him. It's fact.
" im trying to be polite and avoid a dispute" lol yeah right. I have no problem that you like Gotti thats fine but we are talking about a criminal and murderer so its tough to say he was treated unfairly
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Re: What made Gotti so likeable?
[Re: jace]
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10/06/18 12:32 AM
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JCrusher
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You will never get a movie starring John Travolta made on your life if you keep this up.
Thank God. That movie was dogshit. But come to think of it thats a good description of him lol Not a description of him to all those who liked him. Many loved him. Besides, it was a joke. You missed it No i didnt miss it. Im just messing with you. Anyway lets just end this. Once again i will be the bigger person, have a good night jace no hard feelings
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