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Difference between Mafia and organized crime
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10/23/18 02:42 PM
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Many people put Mafia behind any groups that are organized. You have Russian Mafia, Mexican Mafia, Black Mafia Family, Nigerian Mafia, Cuban Mafia and the list goes on.
Me personaly, I think that the Mafia is organized crime, but not all organized crime are a Mafia. Most of the times, I see three way of thinking.
1. Mafia = Sicilian organized crime 2. Mafia = Italian organized crime 3. Mafia = organized crime of any group.
So like I said, I think theirs difference between Mafia and Organized Crime, but what are the criteria to dsitinguish the differences between Mafia and Organized crime?
The Hells Angels are organized crime, but they are not a Mafia. Black Mafia Family are organized crime, but not a Mafia. Are Nigerians, Russians or others are really a Mafia?
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Re: Difference between Mafia and organized crime
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I think originally its Sicilian organized crime, but the word became well known, so other groups adopted the word because it sounded cool and maybe in some cases law enforcement/others started refferring to any OC group as a Mafia. That’s really it.
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Re: Difference between Mafia and organized crime
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most criminal groups? i don't think so bikers have political connections? where? i doubt it anyway also longetivity is another thing, mafia-style group last hundred years Trust me, Bikers, well Hells Angels in Canada have political connections. And most organized crime, have political connections in their country. Indian organized crime has political connection in India, Nigerian organized crime has political connection in Nigeria and african countries. Or if by political connecrion, you only refering to political connection in America and Europe.
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Re: Difference between Mafia and organized crime
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When Italians say "mafia" they mean on Sicilian organized crime , when they say 'Ndrangheta they mean on 'Ndrangheta and so on.
In every country organized crime have political connections,that is common thing. But its rare that groups have connections like Sicilian Mafia/Ndrangheta have. I am talking about masonic lodges,the vatican and so on. Strax i’m 100% down with that. I also think every organized crime groups got political connections. The difference his the high level of those connections and the numbers. In Quebec, every groups, italians, french canadians, irish, haitians etc got political connections, but the Italians have the most and the highest. Also, I think the term Mafia should only be about Sicilian or in extent Italians, just like Yakuza is japanese organized crime. For exemple, I try to say Bratva for Russian organized crime.
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Re: Difference between Mafia and organized crime
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When Italians say "mafia" they mean on Sicilian organized crime , when they say 'Ndrangheta they mean on 'Ndrangheta and so on.
In every country organized crime have political connections,that is common thing. But its rare that groups have connections like Sicilian Mafia/Ndrangheta have. I am talking about masonic lodges,the vatican and so on. Strax i’m 100% down with that. I also think every organized crime groups got political connections. The difference his the high level of those connections and the numbers. In Quebec, every groups, italians, french canadians, irish, haitians etc got political connections, but the Italians have the most and the highest. Also, I think the term Mafia should only be about Sicilian or in extent Italians, just like Yakuza is japanese organized crime. For exemple, I try to say Bratva for Russian organized crime. Exactly , agree with you completely.
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Re: Difference between Mafia and organized crime
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most criminal groups? i don't think so bikers have political connections? where? i doubt it anyway also longetivity is another thing, mafia-style group last hundred years Trust me, Bikers, well Hells Angels in Canada have political connections. And most organized crime, have political connections in their country. Indian organized crime has political connection in India, Nigerian organized crime has political connection in Nigeria and african countries. Or if by political connecrion, you only refering to political connection in America and Europe. i didn't know hells had political connections, never heard yes the biggest organized crime groups have all political connections, anyway with political connections i don't mean a single small gang that knows a mayor of this or that city, but a big organization connected with several politicians like one of the italian mafias (cosa nostra/ndrangheta/camorra), solncevskaja bratva, yamaguchi gumi, 14k etc.
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Re: Difference between Mafia and organized crime
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Like any italians that is in crime is the Mafia. Do we still have Italian gangs or italian street gangs? Like in Italy? I doubt a mn italian teen who do crime, he’s in the cosa nostra, camorra or other italian group. Could we say he’s in a italian street gangs? There are other crime groups in italy that aren't related to camorra,ndrangheta and mafia. In italy is used the term "associazione a delinquere di stampo mafioso" aka mafia type organization (this is a mine translation) referendum to oc group that are more than simple crime groups that had a stable hierarchy and have a control on a huge territory. Examples are the Spada clan of Ostia or the Magliana gang or the mala del Brenta (that was an organization born in the north east italy in the 1970s but was understimate because in the 1970s nobody believe that can exist an oc group in the north east made only be people born ed there and not went from south italy). Also in Sicily there is the Stidda (Star) a group that fought with the mafia. Recently 42 people born by a spinte group from spada clan was arrested because control a large territory in Ostia and 3 big drug trafficking plazas. Another difference is that if you are part of a mafia type organization the prosecutors can ask the 41 bis aka the harsh prison that mean that you must stay in a maximum-security prison,isolated by the other prisoners,you can leave your cell only for visite one day a month ecc.
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Re: Difference between Mafia and organized crime
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Like any italians that is in crime is the Mafia. Do we still have Italian gangs or italian street gangs? Like in Italy? I doubt a mn italian teen who do crime, he’s in the cosa nostra, camorra or other italian group. Could we say he’s in a italian street gangs? There are other crime groups in italy that aren't related to camorra,ndrangheta and mafia. In italy is used the term "associazione a delinquere di stampo mafioso" aka mafia type organization (this is a mine translation) referendum to oc group that are more than simple crime groups that had a stable hierarchy and have a control on a huge territory. Examples are the Spada clan of Ostia or the Magliana gang or the mala del Brenta (that was an organization born in the north east italy in the 1970s but was understimate because in the 1970s nobody believe that can exist an oc group in the north east made only be people born ed there and not went from south italy). Also in Sicily there is the Stidda (Star) a group that fought with the mafia. Recently 42 people born by a spinte group from spada clan was arrested because control a large territory in Ostia and 3 big drug trafficking plazas. Another difference is that if you are part of a mafia type organization the prosecutors can ask the 41 bis aka the harsh prison that mean that you must stay in a maximum-security prison,isolated by the other prisoners,you can leave your cell only for visite one day a month ecc. Thxs for the info. I remember to have read about the stidda. You just remind me of them, thxs.
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Re: Difference between Mafia and organized crime
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Like any italians that is in crime is the Mafia. Do we still have Italian gangs or italian street gangs? Like in Italy? I doubt a mn italian teen who do crime, he’s in the cosa nostra, camorra or other italian group. Could we say he’s in a italian street gangs? There are other crime groups in italy that aren't related to camorra,ndrangheta and mafia. In italy is used the term "associazione a delinquere di stampo mafioso" aka mafia type organization (this is a mine translation) referendum to oc group that are more than simple crime groups that had a stable hierarchy and have a control on a huge territory. Examples are the Spada clan of Ostia or the Magliana gang or the mala del Brenta (that was an organization born in the north east italy in the 1970s but was understimate because in the 1970s nobody believe that can exist an oc group in the north east made only be people born ed there and not went from south italy). Also in Sicily there is the Stidda (Star) a group that fought with the mafia. Recently 42 people born by a spinte group from spada clan was arrested because control a large territory in Ostia and 3 big drug trafficking plazas. Another difference is that if you are part of a mafia type organization the prosecutors can ask the 41 bis aka the harsh prison that mean that you must stay in a maximum-security prison,isolated by the other prisoners,you can leave your cell only for visite one day a month ecc. But how the Stidda could survive in sicily, with the cosa nostra at their neck. Am I bugging, or those, the Stidda look more like the Camorra, than the Cosa Nostra.
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Re: Difference between Mafia and organized crime
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Like any italians that is in crime is the Mafia. Do we still have Italian gangs or italian street gangs? Like in Italy? I doubt a mn italian teen who do crime, he’s in the cosa nostra, camorra or other italian group. Could we say he’s in a italian street gangs? There are other crime groups in italy that aren't related to camorra,ndrangheta and mafia. In italy is used the term "associazione a delinquere di stampo mafioso" aka mafia type organization (this is a mine translation) referendum to oc group that are more than simple crime groups that had a stable hierarchy and have a control on a huge territory. Examples are the Spada clan of Ostia or the Magliana gang or the mala del Brenta (that was an organization born in the north east italy in the 1970s but was understimate because in the 1970s nobody believe that can exist an oc group in the north east made only be people born ed there and not went from south italy). Also in Sicily there is the Stidda (Star) a group that fought with the mafia. Recently 42 people born by a spinte group from spada clan was arrested because control a large territory in Ostia and 3 big drug trafficking plazas. Another difference is that if you are part of a mafia type organization the prosecutors can ask the 41 bis aka the harsh prison that mean that you must stay in a maximum-security prison,isolated by the other prisoners,you can leave your cell only for visite one day a month ecc. But how the Stidda could survive in sicily, with the cosa nostra at their neck. Am I bugging, or those, the Stidda look more like the Camorra, than the Cosa Nostra. stidda was formed by ex cosa nostra members in the 1980s who hated riina today is present only in a few towns anyway
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