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Re: Was Paul Castellano A Smart Gangster?
[Re: Hollander]
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12/09/18 09:56 PM
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Re: Was Paul Castellano A Smart Gangster?
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01/14/19 12:55 AM
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Bruno, despite his reputation as the business-smart don, was letting Gambino affiliates deal on his territory while cutting out his own made men from doing the same. Not too smart.
I don't think they were in Bruno's family, they were in Gambino's family. They weren't just Gambino affiliates, they were Carlo's blood family. In the event of any sitdown they had the backing of the boss of an NYC family. I would think they could pretty much do what they wanted. As long as they didn't take from Bruno's family, what was he going to do about it? Bruno was right drugs made guys flip and he was able to get guys off when they got pinched because they / he stuck to the regular mob staples the way the judges and other city officials wanted so he was able to operate much easier. But he was at odds with his mussel “ Testa and if he had not been at odds for so many years he would of gotten word that North Jersey was making a move . Same deal with Castellano he was a good boss but I am sure Carlo would of thought that Castellano would of had a crew solid behind him but he was soft and allowed the street to come and get him. His downfall was just that when 95% of your company is street level guys you need street guys watching street guys , and just like Bruno they thought guys would follow the rules but in that life forget about it . It was more Carlo Gambino's mistake he should have made Neil boss and Paul U/B... Paul should have been in charge off all the white collar rackets.
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Re: Was Paul Castellano A Smart Gangster?
[Re: BensonHURST]
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01/14/19 05:00 PM
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Bruno, despite his reputation as the business-smart don, was letting Gambino affiliates deal on his territory while cutting out his own made men from doing the same. Not too smart.
I don't think they were in Bruno's family, they were in Gambino's family. They weren't just Gambino affiliates, they were Carlo's blood family. In the event of any sitdown they had the backing of the boss of an NYC family. I would think they could pretty much do what they wanted. As long as they didn't take from Bruno's family, what was he going to do about it? Bruno was right drugs made guys flip and he was able to get guys off when they got pinched because they / he stuck to the regular mob staples the way the judges and other city officials wanted so he was able to operate much easier. But he was at odds with his mussel “ Testa and if he had not been at odds for so many years he would of gotten word that North Jersey was making a move . Same deal with Castellano he was a good boss but I am sure Carlo would of thought that Castellano would of had a crew solid behind him but he was soft and allowed the street to come and get him. His downfall was just that when 95% of your company is street level guys you need street guys watching street guys , and just like Bruno they thought guys would follow the rules but in that life forget about it . It was more Carlo Gambino's mistake he should have made Neil boss and Paul U/B... Paul should have been in charge off all the white collar rackets. honestly neil would of never made a good boss. Yes he was well respected but he was constantly under indictment and didnt know much about the rackets outside of loansharking,gambling,and hijacking, he was also in jail when Carlo was dying and it was Big Paul who was basically acting boss since 1975. Look im not proclaiming Paul as a great boss but I understand his reasoning
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Re: Was Paul Castellano A Smart Gangster?
[Re: JCrusher]
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01/14/19 08:48 PM
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@Bensonhurst
I don't think Neil would have been a good boss. Had to many indictments in his name; and I don't think he knew much about other rackets in the family except those he controlled. Yea; He was respected but I believe Paul was the better of the two.
I got a question; if Paul and Neil weren't suitable successors to Carlo.
Who would have been other figures in the family that possibly had a shot to take over once Carlo died in 1976?
James Failla? Tommy Gambino? Joseph Armone? One name I think could have had a real good shot; Anthony Scotto? Believe he was still a captain at that time and had clout in the legitimate world. Very well respected by politicians; unions and close to Carlo.
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Re: Was Paul Castellano A Smart Gangster?
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01/15/19 10:02 AM
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Probably should have been:
Tommy Gambino because he was the Heir to the throne and married to Luchese.
Than Neil, because Tommy, was so weak Neil, would provide the muscle.
Paul #3 and in charge of the while collar rackets
Each provided a different purpose and should have not stepped in each other.
Meaning Neil, had no interest in running white collar rackets.
Paul had no interest in being the work horse crew that admin needs to keep everyone in check.
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Re: Was Paul Castellano A Smart Gangster?
[Re: Hollander]
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01/15/19 05:18 PM
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@Bensonhurst
I don't think Tommy would have been a good boss but it's certainly plausible. Did other families respect him? He certainly would have needed a crew of killers to combat those who viewed him as weak boss. I think he would have had a longer reign then Paul just because of who he was. Who also wants to be involved in the murder of Don Carlo's son?
@ Hollander
Don't know much about Paolo Gambino. Just know he was a captain; Was he a powerhouse?
I think Anthony Scotto could have succeeded Carlo. He was incredibly smart. Just like I said about Tommy Gambino; He would need a crew of killers because I honestly dont think he was in-touch with the streets.
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Re: Was Paul Castellano A Smart Gangster?
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01/15/19 06:21 PM
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@ Hollander
Don't know much about Paolo Gambino. Just know he was a captain; Was he a powerhouse?
I agree there´s little information about him. From what I've gathered "Don Paolo" was very respected and played a big role in the family. Among his closest criminal associates were his brother Carlo, Frank Scalise, Joseph Profaci and Lucky Luciano.
"The king is dead, long live the king!"
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Re: Was Paul Castellano A Smart Gangster?
[Re: Hollander]
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01/15/19 09:34 PM
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@Bensonhurst;
Anthony Scotto was a powerful Captain for Carlo. He was one of the heads of the ILA; which represented longshore workers. He was connected to many political figures; Even considered to be Jimmy Carter's Secretary of Labor. He was eventually put to pasture eventually by either Castellano; or Gotti. I believe the latter. He's legitimate now. IMO; He's one of the most intriguing mob guys I'v ever heard about. Able to be weave through illegitimate activity and legitimate and still be thriving in his elderly age without law enforcement breathing down his back.
@Hollander.
Didn't know that.
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