I’ve read this before. Like I said, I read that Escobar really looked up to Riina.

Sorry, I was more posting the article in case anyone else didn’t get what you were referring to with Escobar and Riina. Wild story if you ask me!

Very wild. I was surprised because I did not know that Escobar was inspired by any criminal figure. And definitely didn’t think he was so influenced by someone modern. I would’ve thought that he’d look at Riina as competition as well was an ally.

Some Camorra members were worth hundreds of millions or even billions because of the cocaine trade among other things. Carmine Alfieri was worth an estimated $1.2 billion. Michele Zaza was worth an estimated $700 million. And the Nuvolettas has legal assets at around $280 million. I’m sure there are more. Bardellino was worth just as much I would assume.

Salvatore Zazo might aswell be in that league. According to DEA he was handling about 500 million euro worth of drugs each year... LE seized assets from his clan for about 400 million dollars, hotels and shit.

not so difficult, for example police seized about 5 billions from messina denaro (the richest boss in italy and among the richest worlwide) so far, 400 millions from the businessman and politician giuseppe acanto member of the villabate family, and tons of other seizures from multiple families, same for the ndrangheta
sicilian mafia is the organization with the hioghest number of assets seized, more than half in total in italy

honestly, even if chinese really supplied the whole (100%) of belgium, netherlands, london and northern france (and i highly doubt it, do you have statistics about it?)), it would be less than sicilians supplied, italy heroin market alone was bigger than belgium/netherlalds/northern france, and sicilians had grips in other countries too

First of all, I probably shouldn't have argumented for the whole of "Europe" since in reality I only know about the huge Chinese involvement in heroin in the Benelux, northern France and London. That was a bit of a mistake, since the Sicilians definitely supplied the whole of Italy, most of Southern France and probably a lot of Germany as well (and I have no reason to doubt this). So the Sicilians definitely had a giant share of the market. The point I was trying to make is that even at their heroin-selling peak they weren't the sole supplier and didn't have 100% of the European market. The Chinese were definitely behind a ton of heroin hitting Europe as well. Did they have a bigger share of the market than the Sicilians? I can't make a clear cut case for this, but what I do know that the Sicilians didn't have the complete 100% monopoly position in Europe.


"(and i highly doubt it, do you have statistics about it?)"


Now this is where you shit the bed. Are you serious?
Thus far you couldn't provide me with a single source about your "Sicilians showering the entirety of London in heroin" claims aside from you claiming to have "read some articles in the 80's" about this (articles which seemed to have vanished in thin air). And now "you" are gonna ask "me" for sources. LMAO, be real.

Look, if you're gonna keep on beating this dead horse and if you're gonna keep on reviving this argument until we both weigh an ounce just because I "dared" to claim your beloved Sicilian mafia didn't have the complete heroin monopoly in Europe from 1975 to 1985...I'm not feeling like the headache's worth it.
I'll let you have what your heart desires the most: YES, the Sicilians provided ALL of North America with heroin. YES, the Sicilians provided ALL of Europe with heroin. You know what? The Sicilians provided the ENTIRE WORLD with heroin. And possibly some of Mars as well.

i never said sicilians supplied 100% or they were the only european supplier, and even united states/canada, i just said they were the main suppliers in both continents, i don't know if 80 or 50 or what percent, i don't say bullshit like gratteri said ndrangheta supplies 80% of european cocaine, that is obviously a bullshit, since there are other groups involved like dutch, montenegrins, camorra and others
and anyway they produced it in sicily
concerning london i just said they had a grip too, chineses and turkish were the biggest suppliers of course

I never heard of him. I’ll have to look him up. I read that Michele Zaza had a brother named Salvatore. Are you referring to him or if this someone else

yes, the man he was talking about was the brother of michele zaza, its the same criminal group, and the assets seized belonged to the whole group

I know about Denaro but who are some other big Sicilian mobsters whose assets have been seized? I know Riina has around $125,000,000 seized.

of course there are, but mostly the italian police said they are seized from a family not a single boss, for example the graviano brothers had about 100 millions seized, santapaola from catania tons of assets seized in multiple operation worth to hundred millions, you should look at all the anti-mafia operations in the latest 20 years, hard to find, but there are national statistics about it, and sicilian mafia is by far the group with the most assets seized
i bet badalamenti, inzerillo and bontade families are extremely rich, but their assets are mostly outside italy south america/united states/canada and they were not seized according to wiretaps, nino rotolo said it
where you heard riina had 125 millions seized? i never heard it

Never heard of 125 millions seized from Riina. Almost all old school mafia families from Sicily are extremely rich,

But over $125million — probably just a fraction of his fortune LOL

Don't trust news articles like this, where did they come up with 125$ million , his fortune was much bigger.

I don’t think they were saying that was his whole fortune. Just a seizure of some of his assets.

Even if Riina’s family secretly knows of valuable assets or sources of income that are not known by the government, then they still can’t spend/sell any of it without the government being on top of it and seizing it right?

italy has the hardest laws against organized crime in europe, so the only way is to invest in the ue
ue countries still go behind drug dealers and pimps, they can't even undertand how really dangerous is an organized crime groups invested money and pulled the economy and the politics
in some years they would be forced to an ue organized crime law when they would be litterally submerged by mafia money

If Riina had legitimate businesses that generated income, how would it work then?

The Cali cartel is underrated..

Them and Medellin probably made more money than any criminal org on record. At least that’s who I’d put my money on no pun intended.