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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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Fall of the House of Musitano (Dive Bar) w/ James Dubro Murder Was The Case Organized crime expert and author James Dubro unveils the bloody history belying a recent rash of mafia assassinations and attempted murders in the Greater Toronto/Hamilton area. Replete with tales of bllundering hitmen and crumbling criminal dynasties. https://podcasts.apple.com/bz/podca...james-dubro/id1327969221?i=1000456961187
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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The guy giving the interview seems to know his stuff, never knew Pasquale was so hated. I have heard from multiple people that people where considering murdering Angelo Musitano in Spring 2014 Part about Montreal being Ndrangheta because Contronis are Calabrese, not the most accurate LCN was/is made up of predominantly southern Italian heritage, Naples, Calabria, Bari and Sicily
All the business as of 1931ish no matter where you’re from was considered LCN, wasn’t really until late 50’s that the Woodbridge really separated itself as a quasi independent from LCN, Ndrangheta which exist today
Very cool listen, thanks for sharing
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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Awesome that confirms some stuff, really cool Paul Kelly aka Paola Vaccarelli was one of the guys that survived to be around when LCN 5 Families was finalized and he was from Naples, hooked up with the Cammora big time prior to 1931
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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Part about Montreal being Ndrangheta because Contronis are Calabrese, not the most accurate LCN was/is made up of predominantly southern Italian heritage, Naples, Calabria, Bari and Sicily
Cotroni and Violi were part of cosa nostra, but also rooted in the 'ndrangheta like Angelo Musitano, aka "Beast of Delianova". There has never been any evidence that Nicodemo Cotrone -- father of Vincenzo (Vic), Giuseppe (Pep), Frank Sr. (Santos), et al. -- was part of the Picciotteria or l'Onorata società , let alone had 'ndrangheta roots. Vic Cotroni most definitely came into contact with 'ndrangheta members after being inducted into the American La Cosa Nostra in the 1950s -- who knows whether he had contact before then? -- and he even permitted a small group of 'ndranghetisti in Montreal to conduct their meetings in at least one of his establishments. One of Pep Cotroni's drivers, Domenico Torrente, was very likely an 'ndrangheta member affiliated with the Siderno Group in Toronto, but this doesn't mean Pep was a member of the 'ndrangheta or had 'ndrangheta roots. If Cotrones had early and then enduring influence in the locale or 'ndrina in Mammola, the name of a Cotrone clan would have appeared in print at some point over the last seven decades, let's say, in Italian-language newspaper articles, books, anti-ndrangheta investigations, arrest warrants, etc. But such a clan has not, whereas the Callà clan and Macrì clan have. Paolo Violi had deep, extensive connections to the 'ndrangheta. An 'ndrangheta expert like Antonio Nicaso knows this but is always careful in his articles and books to identify Violi as a made member of the Bonanno Family who was an acting captain. Why does Nicaso do so? Because he and we don't know if and when Violi and his brothers were inducted into the 'ndrangheta. On the other hand, we know, for example, that 'ndrangheta member Vincenzo Melia, who had connections to Montreal over the course of at least 30 years, was inducted in Calabria in 1962. He might have been one of the earliest 'ndrangheta members to move to Quebec and live there for some time, although it should be noted that a number of such members also spent time living in various cities in Connecticut and/or Toronto. One of the younger individuals charged in Project Colisée in November 2006 was likely a member of the small 'ndrangheta group in Quebec that appears to have roots in the province going back to the 1960s. But to no one's surprise, he was working in concert with people considered to be in the orbit of the Montreal Mafia. Domenico Musitano Sr.'s uncle Angelo, the so-called Beast of Delianuova, was very likely an 'ndrangheta member. There seems to be evidence that Musitano Sr. and brother Tony were also 'ndrangheta members, but we don't have evidence that Musitano Sr.'s sons -- Pat, the murdered Angelo, and Domenico Jr. -- are/were members of this secret society.
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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Part about Montreal being Ndrangheta because Contronis are Calabrese, not the most accurate LCN was/is made up of predominantly southern Italian heritage, Naples, Calabria, Bari and Sicily
Cotroni and Violi were part of cosa nostra, but also rooted in the 'ndrangheta like Angelo Musitano, aka "Beast of Delianova". There has never been any evidence that Nicodemo Cotrone -- father of Vincenzo (Vic), Giuseppe (Pep), Frank Sr. (Santos), et al. -- was part of the Picciotteria or l'Onorata società , let alone had 'ndrangheta roots. Vic Cotroni most definitely came into contact with 'ndrangheta members after being inducted into the American La Cosa Nostra in the 1950s -- who knows whether he had contact before then? -- and he even permitted a small group of 'ndranghetisti in Montreal to conduct their meetings in at least one of his establishments. One of Pep Cotroni's drivers, Domenico Torrente, was very likely an 'ndrangheta member affiliated with the Siderno Group in Toronto, but this doesn't mean Pep was a member of the 'ndrangheta or had 'ndrangheta roots. If Cotrones had early and then enduring influence in the locale or 'ndrina in Mammola, the name of a Cotrone clan would have appeared in print at some point over the last seven decades, let's say, in Italian-language newspaper articles, books, anti-ndrangheta investigations, arrest warrants, etc. But such a clan has not, whereas the Callà clan and Macrì clan have. Paolo Violi had deep, extensive connections to the 'ndrangheta. An 'ndrangheta expert like Antonio Nicaso knows this but is always careful in his articles and books to identify Violi as a made member of the Bonanno Family who was an acting captain. Why does Nicaso do so? Because he and we don't know if and when Violi and his brothers were inducted into the 'ndrangheta. On the other hand, we know, for example, that 'ndrangheta member Vincenzo Melia, who had connections to Montreal over the course of at least 30 years, was inducted in Calabria in 1962. He might have been one of the earliest 'ndrangheta members to move to Quebec and live there for some time, although it should be noted that a number of such members also spent time living in various cities in Connecticut and/or Toronto. One of the younger individuals charged in Project Colisée in November 2006 was likely a member of the small 'ndrangheta group in Quebec that appears to have roots in the province going back to the 1960s. But to no one's surprise, he was working in concert with people considered to be in the orbit of the Montreal Mafia. Domenico Musitano Sr.'s uncle Angelo, the so-called Beast of Delianuova, was very likely an 'ndrangheta member. There seems to be evidence that Musitano Sr. and brother Tony were also 'ndrangheta members, but we don't have evidence that Musitano Sr.'s sons -- Pat, the murdered Angelo, and Domenico Jr. -- are/were members of this secret society. Thanks for taking the time to inform us, it's true that the Cotroni brothers seem to have had very few ties to Calabria in the early years, but later they developed ties to both sicilian and calabrian clans like Lo Presti, Mazzaferro, Aquino, Inzerillo, Gambino, Zito, Tripodo.
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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I agree the information is top notch, thanks. Basically I feel from observations and talk that if you’re/were south Italian, more than likely you had a home grown system for these businesses and a shared reason to participate. In foreign lands whatever home grown system (ie. Cosa Nostra, Cammora. Ndrangheta etc) you originally got trained in you put it aside, partially to become LCN at the time, and only North America, the rest of the planet you maintained the home grown system in it’s totality.
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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[quote=MolochioInduced] Part about Montreal being Ndrangheta because Contronis are Calabrese, not the most accurate LCN was/is made up of predominantly southern Italian heritage, Naples, Calabria, Bari and Sicily Paolo Violi had deep, extensive connections to the 'ndrangheta. An 'ndrangheta expert like Antonio Nicaso knows this but is always careful in his articles and books to identify Violi as a made member of the Bonanno Family who was an acting captain. Why does Nicaso do so? Because he and we don't know if and when Violi and his brothers were inducted into the 'ndrangheta. On the other hand, we know, for example, that 'ndrangheta member Vincenzo Melia, who had connections to Montreal over the course of at least 30 years, was inducted in Calabria in 1962. He might have been one of the earliest 'ndrangheta members to move to Quebec and live there for some time, although it should be noted that a number of such members also spent time living in various cities in Connecticut and/or Toronto. In bloodbrothers Nicaso did write that Violi's family in Sinopoli is one of the families that have intermarried into the Alvaro clan.
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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This is awesome, learned some new stuff, especially about the Iavarone being made potentially out of LA, didn’t the recent Gambino/Inzerillo bust have guys grabbed in LA. This could be a stimulant, to the war, I really am not that up to date on current Hamilton families. But with a LCN button and the new HA connects in Montreal, Iavarone could be at the heart of all the action.
Over, the holidays, I was able to get this info about some older stuff, that may be able to be confirmed on hear. Apparently, in Sicily they have what is called the Brotherhood/Sisterhood of the Snake, something to do with Medusa, which is part of the Sicilian Flag.
That along with CN, it crossed the Atlantic as well. Tony Papalia and others including Rocco Perri were made members in Hamilton at a club on Bay and Barton Street. Also, the original Angelo Musitano was a member made over in Calabria, by the same type of Sigs.
This somehow enabled John Papalia, very high level contacts with Sicilians, as a Calabrese. That on Railway, John Papalia had a nickname of Pepino, in reference to Pepino Bonnano. Basically, he was selected at a young age, the whole Honor & Respect which is the only real premise for all of the sacred criminal societies.
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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That being combined with the Musitano and Papalia coming from the same part of Calabria, both Antonio and Maria Rosa being from proper bloodlines within the Ndrangheta, also benefited Hamilton.
Jack Luppino arrived a little latter, but as high level member of Ndragheta, helped creates the board of control in Woodbridge. That it was the death of Dominick Musitano in 95, and how his business was influenced/influencing the Biker War in Quebec, that ultimately got John Papalia whacked.
Combine this with the tale Rizzuto, and that’s the current state of business in Canada 🇨🇦
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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Yes of course, Buffalo as well!!!
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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I wouldn’t know, whether they still exist in Hamilton or not, you could be100% correct. The Papalia is I believe in Milan, Calabria? and Australia.
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Nice, for sure Papalia was no Rizzuto in terms of international business and Rizzuto never got the traction in Ontario that Papalia did. That’s a great point Papalia not being around anymore, almost erases the revenge on Musitano being Papalia . I never thought of that until now.
So, is Buffalo still the influence in Hamilton? How does the fact that Hamilton is now a HA city opposed to Outlaw city when Papalia controlled Ontario?
I may be wrong but Papalia was called before US Congress to testify, don’t know if it was because of his connections in the US, the French Connection, or the circles of people he was with Galante, which grew into Pizza Connection. I agree, I’m assume they would have to run it by Magaddino in Buffalo. I pretty sure he even worked with Valachi before his decided to testify before Congress.
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From what I’m told Hamilton was good until Musitanos got arrested, I believe their shooter ratted on them. The Violi brothers or just one was in prison, then the province went HA.
Stadnik and Stockford got arrested, a bust on Lottridge in 2006? HA, now all the stuff that’s happened since.
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Nice, who was Stefano Maggadino man in Hamilton prior to Jack Luppino arrival in Hamilton?
LCN was ratified in 1931ish, sorry not sure, it could be 1933. Luppino arrived in 1950’s, and Rocco Perri was pretty much finished by WW2 or so, interment camps, MIA.
Papalia was in Hamilton in 1910’s, Musitano in 1930’s, maybe Sylverstro/Sylvestri?? Sigs same time as Papalia?
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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Yes him and Pasquale are cousins. The Avignones are also a 'ndrina, originally from Taurianova ( Reggio Calabria). And how exactly do you know that brothers Pat, Angelo, and Dominic Jr., as well as sister Carmelina, are Pino Avignone's first cousins? This is how Dominic Musitano Sr.'s newspaper obituary reads near the beginning: "Dear father and father-in-law of Pino and Anna Avignone...." Link to my Evernote item is below, and the item has a PDF of the newspaper obituary. Dominic Musitano Sr.'s newspaper obituaryUsually, Avignone has been variously described in books and newspaper articles as the adopted brother of Pat, Angelo, Dominic Jr., and Carmelina or as a stepbrother. Stephen Schneider, who wrote Iced: The Story of Organized Crime in Canada, went with the available conflicting information that was out there and decided that Avignone was Dominic Sr.'s nephew. Why does the obituary list Avignone as a surviving family member before the four aforementioned sons and daughter of Dominic Sr. and Carmelina Alampi? The obituary does not make reference to Pino as a stepson. Looking up surnames of 'ndrangheta members in Italy isn't going to help you figure out a puzzle that only people close to the Musitanos here in Ontario know the answer to; I certainly have no idea what the true relationship is between Avignone and the Musitanos. Here is another, if you google Project Scopa Hamilton, you will get as an image one of those police charts titled Project Scopa. They show Avignone as being the "stepbrother" of Pat Musitano. In 1984, there was yet another relationship that Pino Avignone was believed to have had with the Musitano family: a cousin to Domenic Musitano Sr. and Tony Musitano (Pat and Angelo’s father and uncle, respectively). See https://www.torontopubliclibrary.ca...=DC-TSPA_0122140F&searchPageType=vrlI think — I’m not sure — that the reporters who have indicated that Avignone was a nephew to Domenic Musitano Sr. are the ones who have got it right. Avignone would be related to Musitano Sr.’s wife, which means that Avignone was not a nephew of Tony Musitano.
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