Well I don’t think the US hells angels has a non-white policy, they have a non-black policy.
Theirs some hispanic hells angels in the US.
The rapper Mike P look mexican, and look like he’s a member of the California Hells angels.
You can look his videos on youtube.

I guess the definition of white varies when prison life is always a reality, harder to do with black. Maybe prison life is different in Canada, then here in the states. It seems like the prison yard does dictate to the street in US, not in Canada?

What if they start to focus on Canada, looking to implement these policies, I believe Cazzetta and Boucher both were Popeyes, very white 1%er

I’ll talk about montreal cuz i’m from there, but also lived in toronto for a while.

The criminal underworld politic un Quebec is very different than parts in the US.
The street dictate more what happen in the yard, than the yard dictate what happen in the streets.
In Quebec, the jail/prison have sections separated by group affiliations. You have blocs that are occupied by the hells angles, blocs for the RM, blocs for the bloods and blocs for the crips. An exemple, how the street affect the prison system, since theirs more crips members and neighborhood in Montreal, you have more crips blocs in jail.

Also for the Popeyes that were very white 1%er.
Lets not forget that before the 80s, the criminal world un Quebec, was purely white. You had french-canadians, italians and irish and that it. Theirs an article, that said before 85, their was only one black guy in the prison of bordeaux.
So the Popeyes could say they were really just white, but their was no « black » criminal world in the province of quebec.

Black criminal world started in the mid-80s, with the jamaicans in the west of montreal, and after the haitians in the east of montreal.

You won’t have the politics in Quebec like the ones in California based on race. The new Hells angels et the new members of the Mafia grew up with haitians, algerians and others.

Cool, so does the Mafia have have non white members or do they still follow their own rules. Is this why Mom Boucher was stabbed in prison and thrown out of the new style of HA in Canada, who are the leaders of HA in Canada, I know of the nickname of National President it’s Truck. Apparently he has the ability to threaten enemies of the club being to get cops to damage them. Out relationship with cops is something else that isn’t tolerated in California, etc.

The fearsome reputation of the Brand, Mexican Mafia etc, enables them to dictate to the street. So the fearsome reputation of street gangs/Hell’s dictates to the yard that skin doesn’t matter the same in Canada

For the rules about the mafia, you should talk with a person from the italian community of montreal. Because I couldn’t say if theirs non-italian that are made men. Some people say that Desjardins was a made men, like some people said that Woolley wqs a full patch. I think that members from those criminal groups only have the answers to those questions.

The real leaders, also members could answer those questions. The news give us some hints, but they are not 100% sure.

The skin thing in the US is not like Canada. Yes theirs racism. And yes you can have conflicts between skin colors or nationalities. But not like the prison system in the US. Even if the Canadian criminal world is influence by groups from the US. The criminal world in Canada has its own history and background.

You had conflicts between ethnic groups, like all the criminal world around the globes.
But in montreal it didn’t became a full race or ethnic war. You had conflicts between jaimacan gangs and haitians gangs in montreal, like you had a beef between Jamcains and Somalis gangs in Toronto. You had beef between the Hells and the Bloods in Montreal, who could had been seen like a French-canadians vs haitians, but the hells were cool with the crips. Same thing with the beef between haitians and italians.
You had beef between Irish and jamaicans in West of montreal.
So you had conflicts, but it was more a gang thing. Not a full race war

That’s interesting, you have shed some light on things that the need them. Regarding the attempts on Luppino members in Hamilton 2018 and murder 2019, the conversation of HA and street gangs being responsible has been considered, this info makes it even more possible. They seem to make the rules, that most other places don’t follow, and killing an innocent family member of Luppino is a another rule that was disregarded. Also return of Stadnik to Hamilton who is well received by the families in Hamilton, is a problem for the new HA club in Canada?

Where does the power base come from to be able to behave like this?Toronto, Montreal or Wolfpack. It isn’t California or Europe with hardcore far right HA

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5118200
https://www.thespec.com/news-story/...e-of-suspect-in-mob-hit-of-cece-luppino/

That CeCe Luppino was retaliation for the killing of Antonio Maggi, who most consider is part of the plot to kill Nick Rizzuto Jr, and Haitian Leader in Quebec was trigger on that murder. He was killed in August 2014. It’s not Vendetta for some it’s business, for others the business is Vendetta or has become Vendetta.


https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/mobile/gang-leader-gunned-down-in-st-michel-1.1943647

I don’t know nothing about the landscape of Hamilton. All I see is that theirs a mob war, some of the hitmen are from Quebec. And the implication of the Wolfpack from Vancouver.

For the power base, for the canadian biker world probably between Quebec and British Colombia.

For the Mafia the war in Montreal changed everything in the criminal world. The hamilton war is probably a repercussion from montreal.

I agree that everything has to do with the discussion that occurred prior to moving on Rizzuto, the discussion that happened during his incarnation in US, the discussion he had when he returned, and the discussion since he left. Does anyone know how Milan and Nick sr P2 relationship with influential Black Nobilty plays into the Charbonneau Commission Investigation. Black Nobility being Papal bloodlines, Orsini, Medici, Sforza etc. Specifically Michael Degroote from Hamilton, who is billionaire also know for a sour deal on Casino on Dominican with Rizzuto, also Platinum Sports Betting




https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.vic...ngels-have-a-hard-on-for-sports-gambling


https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.2929109
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nUqqROQwcwY

As well Tony Iavarone from Hamilton’s relationship with new HA in Quebec, he has now boss in Hamilton after Violis in prison and attack on Luppino with Quebec street gangs maybe influence or partners with new HA in Quebec. He is there guy in Hamilton, Iavarone attended new HA royal wedding in Quebec

https://montrealgazette.com/gallery/gallery-a-hells-angels-wedding


https://www.google.ca/amp/s/montrea...g-dealers-daughter-marry-in-montreal/amp

As Sonny Barger once put it in an interview "Every Hells Angels chapter is autonomous" meaning they make their own set of rules and bylaws which are based on a standard set of rules from the National Chapter in their area. This simply means each chapter is self-governed and independent.

In other words each individual chapter can decide what rules they follow and can vote on who they want to be members including women. True many blacks are turned down only because they have their own black clubs they can join and some just aren't biker material. Its not about being in a gang which is why many people no matter what color they are have to be turned down. Most clubs select who they want to join and most citizens don't just knock on the door of the Hells Angels and beg to be members. In other words you have to establish yourself first by getting credibility and respect in the biker world this is usually done by knowing someone personally that is a patchholder, rubbing shoulders at local bars for a few years or by joining a Support Club or Puppet Club of a larger MC and work your way up into a prestigious and worldly recognized Club like the Bandidos, Hells Angels or Outlaws.

Sergio Picirilli victime d’une tentative de meurtre au pénitencier

https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...-tentative-de-meurtre-au-penitencier.php


Un influent criminel empoisonné en prison

https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2019/11/28/un-influent-criminel-empoisonne-en-prison-1

Wow another poisoning inside like De Vito.

Having that type of structure must help against RICO, is there a similar law in Canada?
Having met people from both HA and Outlaws and the hate they have for each other, it’s hard to grasp how in Canada, specifically Ontario how they can co-exist. There is little chance that would happen in America or anywhere else in the world. One suggestion that is being made is that both the HA and Outlaws in Ontario have similar enemies being the mob.

An enemy of a enemy is a friend of mine, type of ideology. An angle that can help explain the wars in Quebec and Ontario.

Prior to Papalia and Rizzuto death the mob had a dominance in both provinces, now with the bikers in charges, it seems they will do anything to maintain power including changing rules. Non-whites in club, openingly working with LE, as well as your enemy. Regardless others have and are documenting it and taking notice. Very interesting no matter what.

It’s near impossible to believes that Harry Bowman and Ralph Barger could coexist in Florida or California or anywhere else. Maybe it’s just different to be 1%er in Canada. Would they be able to coexist if Outlaws expand back into Quebec?

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/lfpress...ging-as-outlaws-boss-freed-on-charge/amp

Wasn't cece retaliation for ang musitano?

This shit is fucking weird man I know for a fact the hells Angel's work with the ndrangheta at least in Woodbridge

Don’t know for sure about retaliation for Musitano, nothing like this is cut and dry. In the states HA and Outlaws they would never co-exist. In Canada they do, in southern Italy and the rest of the world CN and Ndrangheta never fight, in Canada they do. Something is different up there, and people aren’t stupid, especially criminals. The see trends and irregularities are becoming obvious

Similar to the fear of zips in NYC in the past, upsetting business with their foreign ways. It appears the same if people identify with being Canada or the different rules in Canada, then they will stick together. Joe Massino during his rise basically removed the zips/pizza connection at the time, to ensure that Americans not Sicilians were in charge, that could explain this

What about the Outlaws do they work with Ndrangheta as well?

Do you know anything outside of what has been reported on the killing Tony Iavarone brother Albert who also was an innocent victim?


https://www.thespec.com/news-story/...bert-iavarone-asks-to-be-left-in-peace-/

The retaliation for Musitano leaves out the fact that the same shooters and conspirators attempted to murder Diego Serrano’s son Saverio 6 weeks before Musitano in the Woodbridge, and Diego Serrano is Ndrangheta busted 2015. If it’s the Violi/Luppino who got Musitano murder, then they tried to murder Saverio Serrano and instead murdered his girlfriend Mila Barberi. What is the link between Musitano and Serrano and why did Violi/Luppino want both dead?

Did they also get Tony Large murdered he was doing business in Hamilton. He is Ndrangheta from the Woodbridge?

Great line of thinking Bacala, thanks bro

I highly doubt LCN in Canada would break such a fundamental rule and “make” non-Italians.
Chances were Desjardins and Bravo were given the “Outfit treatment”: highly respected non-Italians with a bigger clout.

Daniel Renaud had written an article about Piccirilli just several days ago:

Sergio Piccirilli débouté en appel

https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...5-sergio-piccirilli-deboute-en-appel.php

Picirilli was another Rizutto enemy . Could he be part of that famous Rizutto hit list? he was never one to conform with anyone. Seeing the continuation of hits going on , how the hell is desjardins still standing!

Outlaws I dont know but h.a and ndrangheta for sure in the Woodbridge chapter

Nice, thanks Bacala. Do you or anyone else know if the Figliomeni that were busted in the Woodbridge area are related to the Filgliomeni from Railway St/Rocco Perri crew. They either used last name Ross or Romeo, lived on different street than Railway . Two brothers one killed the other. Related could be through archangel Mike and/or the piccolo Tony Papalia. Something to do with Stella and Holy Mother

I think Tony Pugliese is still around married the daughter of Tony and Maria Papalia, I believe, not too sure. He might be able to confirm or deny if it’s true or not