Group out of TO, Joe Ertel HA and partner Harold have ties to mob in Montreal, don’t think it/was Rizzuto. These guys had a wash company in Toronto on Bay St. and ties to Montreal Stock Exchange, they started to acquire power and wealth in and around the time of Rizzuto arrests/murders. Lots of show biz type connections in Canada, don’t think they got any over here in Hollywood.
Regardless, the Harold guy is somehow involved with Mossad or that are the suggestions, which gives international reach/credentials. This is more than likely a thread that has been missed by mistake or on purpose in what has/is occurring. That type of backing could persuade people to do things in either direction in business and war.
How do they rest of the known Rizzuto especially in Ontario, relationship with these guys play into this?
The Ertel guy was National President of Satan’s Choice, then became HA President of Ontario. I don’t see how any business gets done without people like that.
In Sicily, women are more dangerous than the shotgun.
Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
[Re: MolochioInduced]
#982834 12/15/1901:32 PM12/15/1901:32 PM
Both make great points. Raynald has the fact that he is French, in a part of a country where French people tend to be in positions of power. More than likely some were part of the plot and attack on Rizzuto. Government, Elite Class type, there must of been an attempt in those circles to remove Rizzuto loyalists.
If that’s what really failed, then Desjardins won’t be safe in prison or anywhere else, unless they went back to the people they were paying and taking money from. It could enable lots of people back into Rizzuto good standing, where the Pizzo flows Is where most people are, meaning the pockets of the boss/bosses.
The fella murder in the Muskoka, Kahno, I heard that it was Desjardins that got it done for whoever, the guy was too lose of a end, and tying him off was the first of many agreements that has got Montreal and maybe now Ontario some stability.
If people want to know Raynald's power just look at the Joe Bravo situation, Bravo turned down VITO RIZZUTO 3 freaking times to basically back Raynald. That should tell you all you need to know about Desjardins.
And yes it would NOT surprise me if Mirarchi turns on Raynald. I was just saying that Mirarchi would have to give Ray up or I just couldn't see them working with him. Of course if it's true the paper gave up the surprise and surely Ray knows about this by now so the element of surprise is gone.
And I DO think Ray gets popped within 6 months after his release, IF he lasts that long
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
[Re: antimafia]
#982973 12/17/1902:32 PM12/17/1902:32 PM
Based on the book with the same name release in February.
^ thank you Hollander
It’s about time we get a PROPER movie/tv about Montreal/Canadian organized crime. “Bad Blood†with the Sons of Anarchy guy was just awful. The fact that local critics called it “Canada’s The Sopranos†made me feel really sad for the state of the entertainment and creative fields up north...
Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
[Re: LuanKuci]
#983003 12/18/1908:17 AM12/18/1908:17 AM
The craziest thing I thought about the BadBlood was that they predicted the slaughter of the Calabrese in Hamilton in season 2, then it happened in real life.
I don’t speak French that well is this one about Rizzuto and Desjardins as well?
In Sicily, women are more dangerous than the shotgun.
Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
[Re: MolochioInduced]
#983004 12/18/1909:53 AM12/18/1909:53 AM
The craziest thing I thought about the BadBlood was that they predicted the slaughter of the Calabrese in Hamilton in season 2, then it happened in real life.
I don’t speak French that well is this one about Rizzuto and Desjardins as well?
Yep the leading characters are LOOSELY based on Rizzuto and Desjardins their relation and later fallout is the main story line.
"The king is dead, long live the king!"
Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
[Re: Hollander]
#983085 12/19/1904:41 PM12/19/1904:41 PM
Based on the book with the same name release in February.
^ thank you Hollander
It’s about time we get a PROPER movie/tv about Montreal/Canadian organized crime. “Bad Blood†with the Sons of Anarchy guy was just awful. The fact that local critics called it “Canada’s The Sopranos†made me feel really sad for the state of the entertainment and creative fields up north...
+1,000,000 Bad Blood is terrible. It felt like I was watching a Canadian version of Sons of Anarchy from the very start, and not just because of Kim Coates.
This looks fantastic! The French really know how to put together solid gangster dramas. Trailer kind of has the same feel as Cedric Jimenez', The Connection.
Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
[Re: antimafia]
#983465 12/27/1901:56 PM12/27/1901:56 PM
Heads rolled in 2019 within organized crime, whether among bikers, street gangs or the Italian mafia. Nearly 20 murders attributable to criminal groups have been committed in the greater metropolitan area in the past year. Two of the most significant assassinations are undoubtedly those of the Salvatore and Andrew Scoppa brothers, two big names in the Italian mafia in Montreal. The first was the victim of a resounding murder in May during a family celebration in a hotel in Laval. His big brother Andrew, a famous mafia clan leader, also fell under the bullets in late October, in the west of the metropolis.
"The king is dead, long live the king!"
Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
[Re: pmac]
#983500 12/27/1908:37 PM12/27/1908:37 PM
I don't think rizutto would be playing lots of golf with the sniper who killed his father on the loose. so im thinking the wars over and the sniper is dead. wonder what his standing with the bonanno's today is. I still think nyc played a role in this.
Originally Posted by pmac
I don't think rizutto would be playing lots of golf with the sniper who killed his father on the loose. so im thinking the wars over and the sniper is dead. wonder what his standing with the bonanno's today is. I still think nyc played a role in this.
Originally Posted by pmac
I don't think rizutto would be playing lots of golf with the sniper who killed his father on the loose. so im thinking the wars over and the sniper is dead. wonder what his standing with the bonanno's today is. I still think nyc played a role in this.
Originally Posted by pmac
I don't think rizutto would be playing lots of golf with the sniper who killed his father on the loose. so im thinking the wars over and the sniper is dead. wonder what his standing with the bonanno's today is. I still think nyc played a role in this.
haha haha
“â€get the f*uck outta hereâ€â€
Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
[Re: antimafia]
#983534 12/28/1908:10 AM12/28/1908:10 AM
Organized crime: Rizzuto, a name that is gradually disappearing
Ten years after the start of the first frontal attack on the Rizzuto family, it still has its place in the Montreal mafia, but the police and experts believe that its influence will inexorably diminish.
The family name is still important, but it is not as important as it once was. He no longer has the same weight. Why ? Because today in the Mafia, there is more emphasis on what you can bring to the community rather than to a family, "said Nicodemo Milano, ex-commander of the City of Montreal Police Service ( SPVM).
Heads rolled in 2019 within organized crime, whether among bikers, street gangs or the Italian mafia. Nearly 20 murders attributable to criminal groups have been committed in the greater metropolitan area in the past year. Two of the most significant assassinations are undoubtedly those of the Salvatore and Andrew Scoppa brothers, two big names in the Italian mafia in Montreal. The first was the victim of a resounding murder in May during a family celebration in a hotel in Laval. His big brother Andrew, a famous mafia clan leader, also fell under the bullets in late October, in the west of the metropolis.
Who cares, so many scum bags, so many bullets to go. Vito Rizzuto's wife sucks cock like no other.
Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
[Re: JC]
#983598 12/29/1906:00 AM12/29/1906:00 AM
God damn what a crazy story this has been and it seems like things are stable now , I really wish they didn't ruin the story with that garbage tv show bad blood. I hope they make this into a movie soon, the story's even better than the godfather.
Edit* my bad just saw the Mafia inc video , hopefully this is worth of the story !*
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
[Re: antimafia]
#983948 01/02/2007:48 PM01/02/2007:48 PM
Any other way to read this article, hopefully those who turn to burn the cartels will sense the danger approaching, this is already as serious as it can get
The article was put up online just several hours ago on the National Post website and related Postmedia sites. Here's the link:
It remains unclear how closely American and Canadian agencies were working, but the DEA had its own El Chapo-focused agents in Canada as it scoured Mexico to find the kingpin through 2013. The Americans constantly monitored encrypted BlackBerrys used by the Sinaloa Cartel, and these intercepts showed El Chapo worked with Iranian-Canadian gangs, the Hells Angels and others groups, according to DEA agent Andrew Hogan’s 2018 book Hunting El Chapo, written with Douglas Century.
Hogan said El Chapo, by 2013, was making more money from cocaine in Canada than the United States. The economics were simple, Hogan said; a kilo of cocaine fetched at least US$10,000 more in Canada than it did in L.A. or Chicago.
"The king is dead, long live the king!"
Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
[Re: antimafia]
#983979 01/02/2011:59 PM01/02/2011:59 PM
Hitman who killed Mafia enforcer Eddie Melo denied a release Melo’s death was listed along with the 2010 murder of Montreal Mafia leader Nicolo Rizzuto and the disappearance of his son-in-law Paolo Renda, as a series of events believed to be part of the “historical conflict.â€
A group of five recently took over organized crime activities in Montreal after the murder of aspiring leader Andrea Andrew Scoppa in October, ...At the head of the group would be Leonardo Rizzuto and Stefano Sollecito.
Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
[Re: NickleCity]
#984277 01/08/2009:22 AM01/08/2009:22 AM
Amazing how fast things can accelerate or decelerate, that’s the same in any business. The West Coast of Sicily is extremely influential, I’m sure Rizzuto coming from there is foundational in this stability.
Also shooters of Sal Scoppa, Zips from the other side?? Word is power play involving Southern Italy Republic within CN, Camorra, Ndragheta, SCU, maybe even Stidda. Now, not only in Canada, rather International.
In Sicily, women are more dangerous than the shotgun.
Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
[Re: NickleCity]
#984289 01/08/2004:01 PM01/08/2004:01 PM
A group of five recently took over organized crime activities in Montreal after the murder of aspiring leader Andrea Andrew Scoppa in October, ...At the head of the group would be Leonardo Rizzuto and Stefano Sollecito.
They will probably never be as succesful without a strong leader Rizzuto and Sollecito don't have the charisma and respect Vito had, that's why the Scoppa and others began to rebel. We have to see where the Mirarchi clan stands.The group would be fairly independent of other mafia clans and bikers, but would have strong support from a mafia family in Ontario and may still enjoy support, including some influential members of the Hells Angels of Trois-Rivières.
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"The king is dead, long live the king!"
Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
[Re: Hollander]
#984300 01/08/2006:46 PM01/08/2006:46 PM
A group of five recently took over organized crime activities in Montreal after the murder of aspiring leader Andrea Andrew Scoppa in October, ...At the head of the group would be Leonardo Rizzuto and Stefano Sollecito.
They will probably never be as succesful without a strong leader Rizzuto and Sollecito don't have the charisma and respect Vito had, that's why the Scoppa and others began to rebel. We have to see where the Mirarchi clan stands.The group would be fairly independent of other mafia clans and bikers, but would have strong support from a mafia family in Ontario and may still enjoy support, including some influential members of the Hells Angels of Trois-Rivières.
How exactly did the Mirarchi "clan" and the Scoppa "clan" become clans without Vittorio Mirarchi's Calabrian father and Andrew Scoppa's Calabrian father respectively being around?
Do you think Vittorio Mirarchi is going to determine the direction of the Montreal Mafia because he has Calabrian ancestry? The high-ranking Bonanno soldier Moreno Gallo had Calabrian ancestry, and he was the right hand of Jos Di Maulo, who did not have ancestry from Calabria (Maria Mourani's book about his daughter confirms he had ancestry from Montorio dei Frentani in Molise).
Or is Mirarchi going to be killed if he had even the slightest involvement in the high-profile murders of Nick Rizzuto Sr., Paolo Renda, and Agostino Cuntrera? Between Raynald Desjardins and Mirarchi, isn't Desardins really the more powerful of the two? I mean, Desjardins was the leader of le clan calabrais, and Mirarchi was his mentee. If Desjardins and Montagna didn't agree to work with each other, would Montagna have made moves?
Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
[Re: antimafia]
#984320 01/09/2007:49 AM01/09/2007:49 AM
A group of five recently took over organized crime activities in Montreal after the murder of aspiring leader Andrea Andrew Scoppa in October, ...At the head of the group would be Leonardo Rizzuto and Stefano Sollecito.
They will probably never be as succesful without a strong leader Rizzuto and Sollecito don't have the charisma and respect Vito had, that's why the Scoppa and others began to rebel. We have to see where the Mirarchi clan stands.The group would be fairly independent of other mafia clans and bikers, but would have strong support from a mafia family in Ontario and may still enjoy support, including some influential members of the Hells Angels of Trois-Rivières.
How exactly did the Mirarchi "clan" and the Scoppa "clan" become clans without Vittorio Mirarchi's Calabrian father and Andrew Scoppa's Calabrian father respectively being around?
Do you think Vittorio Mirarchi is going to determine the direction of the Montreal Mafia because he has Calabrian ancestry? The high-ranking Bonanno soldier Moreno Gallo had Calabrian ancestry, and he was the right hand of Jos Di Maulo, who did not have ancestry from Calabria (Maria Mourani's book about his daughter confirms he had ancestry from Montorio dei Frentani in Molise).
Or is Mirarchi going to be killed if he had even the slightest involvement in the high-profile murders of Nick Rizzuto Sr., Paolo Renda, and Agostino Cuntrera? Between Raynald Desjardins and Mirarchi, isn't Desardins really the more powerful of the two? I mean, Desjardins was the leader of le clan calabrais, and Mirarchi was his mentee. If Desjardins and Montagna didn't agree to work with each other, would Montagna have made moves?
Scoppa had been described in court as the leader of a Calabrian clan operating within the Montreal Mafia. Steve Casale was in charge of loansharking and a sports betting operation for a group an informant referred to as “Mirarchi clan.†The word clan is often used by montreal police lately, but I would instead use crew/group, because it's not like the clans in Italy. I also believe these groups have people from several backgrounds sicilian, calabrian, puglian etc..often it are just guys who grew up together.
"The king is dead, long live the king!"
Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
[Re: antimafia]
#984725 01/16/2006:20 PM01/16/2006:20 PM
This is what Cosa Nostra commands in Canada The new godfather, Leo Rizzuto from Agrigento And the new boss of the leaders returned to Cattolica Eraclea last summer for a holiday