And PB, it's not just resonant to the people who're over 60. It's even resonant to someone like me who has a sixty-something father and a mother who's approaching sixty. The scene with De Niro and Pesci in prison, the latter struggling to eat his favourite food, was heart-rending, as were the scenes with De Niro trying, and failing, to reconnect with his daughter. Despite the subject matter, it was quite a touching and beautiful movie in certain parts; not a bad way for Scorsese and De Niro to put an exclamation mark on their collaborations. Intend on watching it again soon.

Agree a hundred percent. When your parents start aging it's an eye opener. And when it's drawn out, like Pesci in the prison scene, it's all the more heartbreaking. It took me right back to my Dad. It's going on four years and I'm still not the same. You're an old soul, Moe😉🙂.

Just watched a video from WatchMojo which cites several true or false scenes in the movie. It might be worth a look by some Board members.

I also just read that the FBI has scheduled another dig to look for his remains. Crazy. But wouldn't it be some shit if they found him now, right after the film depiction? But like DeNiro says, It's what it is lol.

Quick observation. I'll probably do this more than once lol. But when Tony Pro showed up at the meeting in shorts he reminded me of Michael Madsen as Sonny Black in Donnie Brasco. Lots of little things reminded me of homages to earlier films in the genre.

PB, great to see you! How realistic did u find the portrayals of some of these guys?

That never occurred to me. Wasn't Tony Pro the same actor who played Capone in Boardwalk Empire?

Yes

Worst gangster movie of all time. Dinero the fake tough guy liberal, Pacino with his worst performance of all time and Pesci looking as limp dicked as ever. Only good is Artie Buccos wife looking hot.

Thank you, Baldo. I'll be spending more time here now. But not so much in the OC threads. Just a personal choice at this stage of my life. Anywhooooooo........

I thought they were pretty much all on the spot with a few minor exceptions. Those first. I already mentioned DeNiro in the grocery store scene looking silly. But there was one other. When he was tossing the guns in the Hudson after he killed Gallo, his hands actually stopped a few times. Like he had the yips in golf, or like an arthritic man trying to masturbate lol. BUT, in the scene where he accepted his award, he said he didn't deserve his bursitis, either. I don't think that was an accident. I think Scorsese intentionally wrote that into the script to excuse DeNiro's gait and overall movements. The only miscast actors I saw were minor. Sebastian Maniscaco is a phenomenal comedian, and maybe he'll pick up some acting chops a la Ray Romano some day. And it's not that his acting was off. But I picked up his Chicago accent loud and clear. He LOOKED Brooklyn circa 1972, but he didn't sound it. His Italian American vernacular was over the top. Just my opinion. And I had to laugh at Steven Van Zandt as Jerry Vale. They should have de-aged HIM. And put him on Atkins. Because at the height of his career, Jerry Vale was trim and good looking. But I'm glad they used his real voice. He sang like an angel.

Okay, critique aside. I thought they nailed it. I won't even go into too much detail about the big four (Pacino, DeNiro, Keitel and Pesci). We knew they were gonna bring it. But Pacino ran away with the film. And I'm not fan-boying here, either. His presence was felt in every scene he was in. If this were a two hour film, picking up when Hoffa and Sheeran met, and culminating with Hoffa's disappearance, you could make a case for Pacino having equal billing in the lead. If that were the case, he'd be worthy of Best Actor. But who knows with the Academy? As it stands, he should run away with Best Supporting Actor. But if Pesci gets nominated, too, they might hurt each other and give it away.

Bobby Cannavale was great. He's half-Cuban, half-Italian, and the look comes natural to him. Early on I did a double take. I thought I was looking at Chazz in A Bronx Tale. And he can act, too. He's been around a long time now and deserved to be cast. I just wish there was a spot for Ray Liotta. I mean, I guess Marty didn't wanna make such a broad comparison to Goodfellas, but there were a few bit actors from the former film in The Irishman. And Ray Romano shocked the shit outta me. I mean Everybody Loves Raymond, but that's what I was afraid of, Ray Barone as a mob lawyer. I was dead wrong. He was fantastic.

Incredible film. I'd place it just above Casino and right there behind Raging Bull and Goodfellas. But that's in the Scorsese universe so it's not even fair. Because in the end, it was a better film than what 90 percent of the rest of Hollywood puts out these days.

Four stars.

Happy to see you back PB! I think many younger people have short attention spans. But there are some people who are older who felt the same way. I was listening to Bill Simmons speak about the movie and he criticized the movie to no end on his podcast show.

Thanks, Revis.

Yes, Oli. Stephen Graham. He's a Brit, and a fine actor.

Newbie here. Been lurking for a few years and I finally signed up.

I enjoyed it. The big 3 were great and I thought Romano was outstanding. The one downer for me was Maniscalco. Love him as a comedian and thought he was great in Green Book but just wasn't believable.

Didn't seem like over 3 hours. I'll watch it again for sure.

Good to see you back PB, you've been missed. Great insights into the film. I'm really looking forward to watching this on DVD release after hearing so many good things about this film..

I liked all the cameos and callbacks to previous movies/shows:

Instrumental version of pretend you don't see her
Van Zandt playing the singer
Actor who played Michael Spilotro in Casino was the owner of the Jewelry store where they were chastising his son
Lois the babysitter from Goodfellas as Jo Hoffa
Vinny Vella as the meat yard manager
Crazy Mario from Bronx Tale playing David Ferrie (whom Pesci played in JFK)

Speaking of homage to genres (intended or accidental), there were a few in Irishman:

Frank is estranged from his daughter Peggy; Tony is estranged from his father,

Peggy seems to know that her father is a murderer; "Tony knows you killed Fredo".

The baptism scenes.

Frank tells his daughter he wanted to protect his family; Michael tells Kay the same thing

Agree. And, "who knows with the Academy?" may be the understatement of the year.

And, as for welcome, I'll paraphrase Fredo to Frankie at Anthony's party: "Pizzaboy, I thought you was never comin' back!"

I'm only here for the canapes, TB. One Ritz cracker and I'm taking another four years off....but thank you. Much appreciated 😊.

Will this movie cause an influx of mob movies? And I’m not sure if anyone has asked this, but isn’t it a plot hole that Hoffa’s foster son Chuckie never put two and two together and realized that Sally and Frank were the last two people to see Hoffa other than him?

From what I've heard, Chuckie wasn't in the car when Hoffa was murdered (probably just added to the movie for dramatic effect).

Maybe I'm naïve, but I was second guessing if they were going to retcon things during that scene. Especially seeing as Chuckie was in the car.

BTW, what do you guys think of the movie Hoffa with Jack Nicholson and Danny De Vito?

Seeing as I've watched The Irishman twice already, I plan on watching that one again soon as somewhat of a companion piece.

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Nicholson's portrayal of Hoffa was much better than Pacino's, but Pacino did well. Nicholson had Hoffa's facial expressions and especially the voice down pat. Overall, I liked Hoffa, but it did not have the gravitas that I expected from it.

Been too long since I've seen it but I'm right there with you. Feel like giving it a go now but first I need a second viewing of THE IRISHMAN!

I thought Hoffa (1992) was a fine film. But you have to be ready to throw away historical accuracy in that movie as well. Nicholson was Nicholson, and Danny DeVito, who directed as well, surprised me with his acting chops. But I think the film's strongest performance came from Armand Assante, based on a composite of Tony Provenzano and Tony Giacalone. That he went on to portray Gotti EXACTLY the same way isn't surprising. Because Assante has a knack for playing those roles exactly the same. A little one dimensional but powerful.

I wish Keitel had a bigger part, such a great actor.

David Thomson, the great British film critic, wrote that a "movie star" is an actor who's always identifiable as himself, no matter what role he plays. Quintessential example was Clark Gable. I'd add Nicholson, Newman and, as you point out, Assante.

Another clever little touch in the movie:

When Hoffa anoints Fitzsimmons at a Teamsters convention in Miami, the scene opens with an aerial view of the city. The music that plays is "Melancholy Serenade," which was the theme from "The Jackie Gleason Show." Gleason relocated to Miami toward the end of his career.

TB, I immediately recognized that theme. Pretty cool.

As we do, we watch the Trilogy time after time and each time notice things we never noticed before. I've watched the Irishman several times now and I'm starting to notice some things. One is Frank's daughter Peggy's wary glance at Bufalino and his cohorts even at the baptism. Then, many years later as a woman, she is dancing with Hoffa and again glancing warily over his shoulder at Bufalino, Provenzano, and Salerno. I love that kind of continuity in these saga type movies.