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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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[snip] Here's an interesting comment by someone following the Hamilton Spectator's post on Facebook about the attempted murder this morning: Hamilton Spectator Facebook post linking to its own articleJoanne Barker The Hamilton Spectator I have your answers. HAVANA GROUP SUPPLIES. Steve sardinha, zach everett. Linda everett (vice president) I believe the lappino shooting was also involving Musitano. He owns ROCCO Construction that was in hauling. And Pat and Havana wanted to be number 1. Pming you! Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 6:45 pm [EST] [snip] The woman who posted on Facebook may be the person on Twitter who posted three pages of what appear to be some legal proceeding involving a number of plaintiffs and numerous defendants. Musitano's name appears four lines from the bottom of the list of defendants. https://twitter.com/Joclyn36115822/status/1121755446266814464
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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That violi guy whose the underboss of the buffalo family was on wiretap saying he knew these brothers were marked for death. Is it because they orderd that guy johnny pops murder like 20 yrs ago. He was in a different crime family and im betting they didnt have permission to kill a lcn member interesting,, you have a source ? If it true that Buffalo get more power. Then its make sense that they push this group out.
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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That violi guy whose the underboss of the buffalo family was on wiretap saying he knew these brothers were marked for death. Is it because they orderd that guy johnny pops murder like 20 yrs ago. He was in a different crime family and im betting they didnt have permission to kill a lcn member https://www.theglobeandmail.com/can...rld-how-a-drug-plea-has-exposed-a-mafia/It might be this article. Three quarters of the way down, Violi discusses the Musitanos after Angelo was killed and mentioned Pat being on the lamb/not having much time left.
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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04/26/19 01:13 PM
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That violi guy whose the underboss of the buffalo family was on wiretap saying he knew these brothers were marked for death. Is it because they orderd that guy johnny pops murder like 20 yrs ago. He was in a different crime family and im betting they didnt have permission to kill a lcn member I support this theory, even though Johnny Papalia wasn't lcn, he was very close to Stefano Maggadino and the rest of the buffalo family. Pat had him whacked in 97. Also interesting to note, Johnny Papalias brother Rocco just got out of prison a year or two ago. But really it could be from any number of people. Pat had this coming from a number of directions...the GTA ndrangheta is done with him.
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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That violi guy whose the underboss of the buffalo family was on wiretap saying he knew these brothers were marked for death. Is it because they orderd that guy johnny pops murder like 20 yrs ago. He was in a different crime family and im betting they didnt have permission to kill a lcn member I support this theory, even though Johnny Papalia wasn't lcn, he was very close to Stefano Maggadino and the rest of the buffalo family. Pat had him whacked in 97. Also interesting to note, Johnny Papalias brother Rocco just got out of prison a year or two ago. But really it could be from any number of people. Pat had this coming from a number of directions...the GTA ndrangheta is done with him. What makes you think he wasn't LCN? He's been identified as a Buffalo member and capo by various sources. Only the Musitanos are still a matter of debate whether they were Buffalo members, but I would be suprised if they were the exception.
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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04/26/19 03:32 PM
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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Excerpt: In the September 2017 recorded conversation, Dom Violi says the Musitanos were supporting the Cuntreras, who at times are referred to as the "coffee guys." The Cuntrera-Caruana Mafia family is known in the Woodbridge and Toronto areas. The home of Giuseppe Cuntrera, referred to in the court documents as "Big Joe," was targeted with gunshots and fire in the summer of 2017.
Pat and Ang Musitano are referred to in an earlier recorded conversation with the police agent, which is also included in the court file, from Jan. 6, 2016 — more than a year before Angelo's murder. In that conversation, Joe Violi talks about a plan he'd heard about from a hit man to target two people, one in Hamilton and one in Toronto.
Violi tells the police agent he thought the Musitanos and the Cuntreras were behind those plans. But it appears those murders, if there was ever any truth to the plans, never happened.What a mindf*ck this all is, especially because Business or Blood argued that the Siderno Group and Caruana-Cuntrera family were in cahoots, the latter in effect therefore no longer beholden to the Rizzutos.
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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04/26/19 06:00 PM
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violi said morena that 'they' wanted musitano dead, maybe the siderno group? there is a war between caruana-cuntrera and the siderno group? Problem with that is it's labelled the "Siderno Group" because its members primarily came from the town of Siderno, but it doesn't have a structure it's just a group of families. The structure are the locali. There is a strong argument to be made that the Greater Toronto Area Siderno Group is still one locale, just as it was in the 1960s. In 2010, at 43 inducted members, there appeared to be fewer members than in the 1970s, when Mike Racco was the undisputed leader of the Siderno Group in Toronto and had probably come the closest any mafIoso has ever come to being the godfather of Toronto.
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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04/27/19 12:08 AM
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Excerpt: In the September 2017 recorded conversation, Dom Violi says the Musitanos were supporting the Cuntreras, who at times are referred to as the "coffee guys." The Cuntrera-Caruana Mafia family is known in the Woodbridge and Toronto areas. The home of Giuseppe Cuntrera, referred to in the court documents as "Big Joe," was targeted with gunshots and fire in the summer of 2017.
Pat and Ang Musitano are referred to in an earlier recorded conversation with the police agent, which is also included in the court file, from Jan. 6, 2016 — more than a year before Angelo's murder. In that conversation, Joe Violi talks about a plan he'd heard about from a hit man to target two people, one in Hamilton and one in Toronto.
Violi tells the police agent he thought the Musitanos and the Cuntreras were behind those plans. But it appears those murders, if there was ever any truth to the plans, never happened.What a mindf*ck this all is, especially because Business or Blood argued that the Siderno Group and Caruana-Cuntrera family were in cahoots, the latter in effect therefore no longer beholden to the Rizzutos. But who says the Siderno group is alligned with the Luppinos? Who says the intended target of the Cuntreras and Musitanos in Toronto was a Siderno group member? Rizzuto said to a police officer that he didn't believe the attacks on his family came from Toronto, but that he believed it was coming from New York. We know now that this was largely true so he was most likely oddly honest. Also, you know better than any about rivalries within the Siderno group. Maybe some were in cahoots with the Cuntreras (and in effect the Rizzutos) and some weren't.
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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04/27/19 12:58 AM
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These wars and murders must make every politician on the payroll or who were willing to cooperate with them in past and future must be trying to avoid and ignore them in fear of them being prosecuted due to the heat. We know from the previous indictments that the Rizzuto Cosa Nostra had political strings, wasn't it Leonardo and a few others who were exanorated by the queen for gangsterism?
I truly don't get why these Ndgrangheta Clans and Cosa Nostra families never learn that this sort of continous open violence makes politicians and other business oppurtunities skeeve away and avoid them in fear of being caught up in a headline. I mean I don' really know but if you were a slightly crooked otherwise A4 politician with a family would you choose to implicate yourself with that sort of risky and loud organization?
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Re: Pat Musitano shot west of Toronto
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04/27/19 05:45 AM
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maybe violi meant the luppino's wanted him dead Or the Papalia clan at least they have a clear motive. Italy Domenico Papalia, Johnny Papalia's first cousin, was a boss in the 'Ndrangheta in Calabria. He was involved in at least five kidnappings and convicted for the 1976 murder of rival mobster Antonio D'Agostino.[4] In the 1970s, a branch of the Papalia family relocated their operations from Platì to Buccinasco near Milan. Another two first cousins of Johnny, Antonio and Rocco Papalia, used ransom money from kidnppings to buy large shipments of drugs for export. In 1993, authorities seized a house, factory, land, cars and businesses that belonged to Antonio and Rocco, worth over $40 million.[4] The Papalias also operated with the Barbaro 'ndrina in the north–south operation, also having connections stretching to Australia.
On July 10, 2008, in the Cerberus operation of the Guardia di Finanza, several people were arrested including Domenico, Rocco and Antonio Papalia who were said to have controlled the construction sector in Buccinasco, Corsico and Pogliano Milanese.[13] On May 6, 2017, after being imprisoned since 1992, Rocco Papalia, nicknamed nginu, was released.[14]
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