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Re: charts/info on Rizzuto Faction.
[Re: LuanKuci]
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01/21/20 04:16 PM
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It’s hard to believe that the Bonannos (even in the midst of the Massino catastrophe) would allow such a profitable offset of their family to cut itself off and run independently. especially with loose control over the Rizzutos. It could of worked in their favour
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Re: charts/info on Rizzuto Faction.
[Re: LuanKuci]
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01/21/20 05:12 PM
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It’s hard to believe that the Bonannos (even in the midst of the Massino catastrophe) would allow such a profitable offset of their family to cut itself off and run independently. That's assuming there was anything the Bonannos could do about it. You've got an international border in your way for starters, so it's not as easy as a bunch of Staten Island wiseguys taking a quick road trip into Montreal to lay down the law on their erstwhile brothers in crime. Would they even know who to go looking for up there, or where to find them? Or who they are? Particularly at their peak, the Rizzutos built a group that was enormous; the actual number of "made" men (if they are even made in Canada, in the American LCN sense) may be small but the number of associates according to court documents goes well into the hundreds. Not to mention hundreds more equally fearsome allies. And while American LCN has learned to operate in the shadows of RICO laws and that murder is bad for business; there are no such similar laws in Canada; as anyone can see it's still the Wild West in the Quebec Mafia, there have probably been more mob related murders in Quebec in just the past two years than in all of New York in the past ten. My point is anyone (like Salvatore Montagna) who thinks they're going to come up from NYC and tell the Rizzutos what to do will probably be recieved similarly - i.e. they will be sent home in a bodybag. Hollywood audiences may place weight in what the boss of the Bonanno family has to say, but the head of the Rizzuto crew/clan/family whatever they consider themselves to be, apparently do not. I would be shocked to learn that either Rizzuto or Sollecito would give two damns what Mikey the Nose has to say. That's the difference between the Hollywood image and the reality of the situation. If you read the Court Transcripts which included wire conversations between Massino and Vitale (on the subject of the murder of Gerlando Sciascia), you would even be inclined to believe that Massino was more afraid of Rizzuto than vice versa. These transcripts are referenced in Mafia Inc. and in the Sixth Family. You can probably find them online as well.
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Re: charts/info on Rizzuto Faction.
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I think in those parts of Sicily, especially with a father like Libertina Manno’s father , you get made the day she becomes your wife. ‘The women give you, your respect and honor’.
‘Un omicidio e come un matrimonio in Sicilia’
A murder is like a wedding in Sicily, only ways to make blood, or something very close to that, I can’t fully recall, I apologize.
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In Sicily, women are more dangerous than the shotgun.
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Re: charts/info on Rizzuto Faction.
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â€If you read the Court Transcripts which included wire conversations between Massino and Vitale (on the subject of the murder of Gerlando Sciascia), you would even be inclined to believe that Massino was more afraid of Rizzuto than vice versa. These transcripts are referenced in Mafia Inc. and in the Sixth Family. You can probably find them online as well.â€
Does anyone have this above? It's all laid out in the book Mafia Inc. I can't recall this word for word, but I'll try: Sal Vitale visited Montreal in 1999, after the death of Gerlando Sciascia, with Anthony Urso; if you read about this meeting the truth is better than fiction. In a nutshell: Vitale was there to "deliver the news" to Rizzuto that Sciascia had been murdered and to assure him that that Bonannos were looking for the real killers. Vito, already certain that Sciascia was killed by the Bonanno family, had chairs set out for himself, Vitale, Urso, Frank Arcadi, Paolo Renda and one other which he deliberately left empty, intended to symbolize a chair for Sciascia. Vitale's real purpose fo the visit was to take a headcount, on orders from Massino, to assess how many "Bonannos" were in Canada. Vito Rizzuto responded that there were a total of 19 made members in Montreal. Vitale then asked who was in charge to which Rizzuto replied that everyone in Montreal was equal and that no one was in charge. Vitale told Rizzuto he was authorized by Massino to offer him the Capo position for Montreal to which Vito politely declined; which was taken (perhaps as intended) as a direct insult to Massino. The RCMP and FBI believe that it was at this point, following the death of Sciascia, that any tributes that were being paid from Montreal to NYC stopped. This was the point at which the Rizzutos formally, if without saying so outright, severed their ties with the Bonannos. I would tend to believe that accounting of events, particularly given the lack of co-operating evidence any of Massino, Vitale, Cantarella, Coppa, Lino or others had to offer against the Montreal members, with the obvious exception of the events in 1981. None appeared to be in possession of any more recent knowledge. Mafia Inc. is a great read, and the superior book to "The Sixth Family" - for a thorough understanding of the Rizzuto clan I highly recommend it.
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Re: charts/info on Rizzuto Faction.
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01/29/20 11:18 AM
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Similar to Nicolo Sr, Victor or anyone else who will take on leadership position. It was more than likely a organization decision, probably involved talks in Sicily/Southern Italy, South America, and everywhere else the Rizzuto does/did business.
The West Coast of Sicily is very influential, and the link to Palermo and Reggio, was evident in the bridge deal to Messina, that Rizzuto was part of that was worth billions of dollars. I think Rizzuto was convicted in Abenstia. Not to mention Nicolo Sr links to Milano, and everything that Milan represents.
Although Victor Rizzuto is gone, the system that produced him remains, I assume whatever decision have been made, it will have taken a similar process to make them, they are typically made in and for blood.
In Sicily, women are more dangerous than the shotgun.
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Re: charts/info on Rizzuto Faction.
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The most senior figure is Francesco Arcadi, who was already acting boss when Vito served his sentence in the US. Arcadi was Vito's faithful Underboss for years and - as a Calabrian - was essential symbolically to keeping the Sicilians and Calabrians working together under the Rizzutos in those years. His brief tenure as acting boss however, was disastrous. He's a solid number two though and despite his lineage has always proven to be one hundred percent faithful to the Rizzutos. The other name who is back out there, and a big money maker is Francesco Del Balso who has in past years been touted as a "Capo" as far as such structure may or may not currently exist.
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Re: charts/info on Rizzuto Faction.
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Tony Suzuki, hes like the Where’ s Waldo, of all this?
It’s been inferred that Tony Suzuki was one of many individuals Rizzuto met with after release, to attain an agreement for Rizzuto to seek Vendetta.
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In Sicily, women are more dangerous than the shotgun.
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