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Gotti killed DeSimone due tried to rape Karen Hill
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...ok-reveals.html John Gotti personally executed the real-life Joe Pesci 'Goodfella' on the night he was due to be 'made' - after the victim tried to rape a fellow gangster's wife, new book reveals By Dailymail.com Reporter 15:48 BST 12 Jul 2015, updated 08:44 BST 13 Jul 2015 A new book about the notorious $5 million Lufthansa robbery in 1978 - which inspired the hit film Goodfellas - has revealed for the first time the role that John Gotti played in the heist, and how the personally killed rival Tommy DeSimmone. The book, The Luftansa Heist - released August 1 - has been written by gangster Henry Hill, who claims to have received the information surrounding the death of hit man DeSimmone from Sal Polisi, a friend of Gotti's he met in Witness Protection. Hill collaborated on the 1986 book Wiseguy, which was adapted to film in 1990 and renamed Goodfellas, but says he held back the story of Gotti killing DeSimmone, fearing retribution, The New York Post reported Sunday. Gambino: 'Dapper Don' John Gotti personally murdered infamous hit man Tommy DeSimmone, of rival gang the Lucchese family, because of his involvement in the Lufthansa robbery and for assaulting the wife of another gangster, Henry Hill, who is releasing a new book Gambino: 'Dapper Don' John Gotti personally murdered infamous hit man Tommy DeSimmone, of rival gang the Lucchese family, because of his involvement in the Lufthansa robbery and for assaulting the wife of another gangster, Henry Hill, who is releasing a new book Gotti, the 'Dapper Don' of the Gambino crime syndicate, died of throat cancer in prison in 2002. The infamous Lufthansa heist saw gang members steal around $5 million in cash and $875,000 worth of jewelry at JFK airport in 1978, brutally attacking airport workers guarding the cash. At the time it was the biggest heist in US history and none of the money was ever recovered. The theft was planned by Hill and Jimmy 'The Gent' Burke, who worked under Lucchese family crime boss Paul 'Paulie' Vario. In Goodfellas, Hill was played by Ray Liotta, Burke by Robert De Niro, and Vario by Paul Sorvino. Being a Gambino, Gotti was not believed to have any involvement in the heist. However Hill's book reveals that the airport was considered shared turf between the Lucchese and Gambino families, so Gotti was cut in on the heist. Over a meeting at Prudenti's Vicin' O Mare, an Italian restaurant in Long Island City, Queens, Hill and Burke agreed to give Gotti $200,000 of the proceeds. In return, Gotti would organize a warehouse where the cash and the jewelry could be moved from the getaway van to a 'switch car' to further throw the police off the scent.Gotti would then destroy the van at an auto-salvage yard he ran in Brooklyn. Gotti, who at the time was still at a 'captain' in the Gambino family, did not tell his bosses about the $200,000 and kept the money for himself. He then blew the cash gambling at the Aqueduct Racetrack in Queens. During the heist, the robbers wore ski masks to hide their faces, but DeSimmone lifted his to wipe away some sweat. The mask was off long enough for a witness to see his face and help police do a suspect sketch, which enraged Burke and Vario. However they needed DeSimmone to murder a list of people involved in the heist to cover up any loose ends. DeSimmone was ordered to kill Parnell 'Stacks' Edwards, who was supposed to deliver the getaway van to Gotti to be destroyed the heist, but instead
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left it parked in Canarsie, Brooklyn, where police found it.
However DeSimmone and Edwards were close friends who had known each other since they were young.
DeSimmone was told by Vario he would become an official member of the mob if he killed Edwards, so DeSimmone shot his friend in the head five times.
Scene: Police cordon off an area around a stolen black van discovered in front of 595 East 95th Street in Brooklyn in 1979, following the Lufthansa heist +12 Scene: Police cordon off an area around a stolen black van discovered in front of 595 East 95th Street in Brooklyn in 1979, following the Lufthansa heist Meanwhile, the Gambinos had wanted DeSimmone dead for years because he had killed two of their good men.
When Gotti heard that DeSimmone was up for a promotion, he had a meeting with Vario, and asked permission to take out DeSimmone.
Vario knew the police would soon be on their tale because of the sketch of DeSimmone the police got from the robbery.
Also DeSimmone had recently tried to sexually assault Hills's wife, Karen, while Hill was in prison.
The bigger issue was that Vario was having an affair with Karen at the time.
Vario gave Gotti permission to kill DeSimmone, The Post reported.
On the night that DeSimmone was meant to be unducted into the mob, he was driven to Belmont in The Bronx by Vario's son.
The heist inspired the hit movie Goodfellas, released in 1990, starring (L-R) Joe Pesci, Ray Liota and Robert de Niro +12 The heist inspired the hit movie Goodfellas, released in 1990, starring (L-R) Joe Pesci, Ray Liota and Robert de Niro DeSimone wore 'a double-breasted black Bill Blass suit, a starched blue shirt and beige silk tie',according to Hill's book.
He was taken to the basement of Don Vito's restaurant, where a group of men were playing cards.
DeSimmone was shocked to see Gotti there, under the impression it was just be a Lucchese affair for his big night.
'Welcome, Tommy. Congratulations!' Gotti said. 'Pull a chair up to the table and sit comfortably. This is not an ordinary day in your life, I want you to know.'
DeSimone sat down. Within three seconds, 'Gotti pulled out a silencer-equipped .38 Colt Magnum from his inner breast pocket and drilled three bullets into DeSimone's cranium. PAH . . . PAH . . . PAH.
'DeSimone's head blasted forward, and with the thud of a 10-pound boulder slumped onto the card table, blood seeping and leaching onto the green felt tabletop.
'Gotti buttoned his camel cashmere overcoat, straightened the lapels and walked out of the room with a vaunting stride,' the book said.
Henry Hill collaborated with Nicholas Pileggi on Wiseguy, the 1986 book that was the basis of Goodfellas.
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Re: Gotti killed DeSimone due tried to rape Karen Hill
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That's a good story and sounds very feasible.The other one that joe dogs told,were gotti wanted him gone and got Tommy Agro to do it,as Agro had already clipped his other brother has rings of truth in it to imo.Gotti wasn't happy with Tommy D for killing foxy and Billy batts,so there were a few reasons for gotti..Also i surmise that if you put three bullits into someone's head from two or three foot away from a magnum,then the camel over coat may have a few spots on it.
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Re: Gotti killed DeSimone due tried to rape Karen Hill
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Well said.I think it might have be Bruno facciolo who took Tommy from the pizza place.
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Well said.I think it might have be Bruno facciolo who took Tommy from the pizza place. it was either bruno or maybe it was Bruno's pizza place? I also may have put the location of that place as the Flatlands and I think it was Canarsie. Tommy Agro killed DeSimones brother because he was a rat, that being said people believe that is why Tommy was trying to prove how tough he was because the rat stigma followed the name. Agro told someone something like he was going to do the DeSimone Trifecta. That hearsay statement came from another informant so almost anything those guys say is to be suspect. Sammy the Bull and Al D Arco are good examples of that, if they could they would conspire with prosecutors to pin the Hoffa or Kennedy deaths on someone and swear to it.
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Re: Gotti killed DeSimone due tried to rape Karen Hill
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That's right,it was joe dogs I think who also said agro kept the other brother Bobby around,who was a bit of a idiot and not like his brother.
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Re: Gotti killed DeSimone due tried to rape Karen Hill
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It seems like if someone wasn't having an affair with her (Vario), someone was trying to rape her allegedly (DeSimone).
Has anyone here seen this lady?
What is it about her physically that made her such a magnet? There is pictures of her on the internet if you've never seen her.
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Re: Gotti killed DeSimone due tried to rape Karen Hill
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Thought colt magnum was strictly a revolver back then...not easy to silence a revolver...Hill had more stories than Dr Seuss
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Re: Gotti killed DeSimone due tried to rape Karen Hill
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about the de simone killing, im thinking tommy argo killed him, when he killed foxy jethro, i think that sealed his fate, and im not to sure that i believe henry hill's account of anything anymore, read a lot about lufthansa, never heard about gotti recieving any money. don't believe hill.
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I'm surprised Hill didn't claim at one time Al Capones ghost was responsible for taking out Tommy. A silenced .38 Magnum? Ha, ok.
If one were to read Joe Ianuzzi's book, (as stated above) Agro seems to have been the person most likely responsible. There's only a couple of paragraphs where they discuss the DeSimone brothers getting killed. This was before Pesci's portrayal of an amalgam of Tommy and Goodfellas. Of course someone like Hill would claim one of the most famous/infamous gangsters in history would somehow be involved.
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Gotti never killed tommy. In fact there is no evidence he personally killed anyone. He assisted in the mcbratney killing but ralph galione was the shooter. I agree i think agro killed him. I dont think the attempted rape(if thats true) was the main factor but it probably didnt help his cause. Tommy d was a loose cannon and especially after lufthansa they didnt want many loose ends John Gotti Personally shot Vito Borelli in the head. Many informants link the tommy desimone killing to gotti.Desimones father in law was part of the Bergin Crew and was supposed to set up tommy desimone for gotti shooters Roach Rampino and Michael Roccaforte. Supposedly Desimone was chopped up in the back of the bergin and dumped in the rockaways. The rape things is nonsense and never happened . And hill never testified about it and it never appeared in his 302s. Just out of his mouth 15 20 years later to sell books.
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Gotti never killed tommy. In fact there is no evidence he personally killed anyone. He assisted in the mcbratney killing but ralph galione was the shooter. I agree i think agro killed him. I dont think the attempted rape(if thats true) was the main factor but it probably didnt help his cause. Tommy d was a loose cannon and especially after lufthansa they didnt want many loose ends Point Blank..Agreed Totally. thanks. To be honest we will never know the whole story. However its clear gotti had nothing to do with it. He may have helped arrange it but its also possible paul vario did the same I honestly believe Vario had his dirty hands in the whole mess..
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Gotti never killed tommy. In fact there is no evidence he personally killed anyone. He assisted in the mcbratney killing but ralph galione was the shooter. I agree i think agro killed him. I dont think the attempted rape(if thats true) was the main factor but it probably didnt help his cause. Tommy d was a loose cannon and especially after lufthansa they didnt want many loose ends Point Blank..Agreed Totally. thanks. To be honest we will never know the whole story. However its clear gotti had nothing to do with it. He may have helped arrange it but its also possible paul vario did the same I honestly believe Vario had his dirty hands in the whole mess.. very possible. Vario was powerful back then much more than gotti
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Gotti never killed tommy. In fact there is no evidence he personally killed anyone. He assisted in the mcbratney killing but ralph galione was the shooter. I agree i think agro killed him. I dont think the attempted rape(if thats true) was the main factor but it probably didnt help his cause. Tommy d was a loose cannon and especially after lufthansa they didnt want many loose ends i am in complete agreement with your post, i for one never believed gotti killed anyone either, he was nothing but, a big mouth, and its been written that tommy was identified by a guard in the robbery... i have no doubt that tommy argo killed de simone JOHN GOTTI PERSONALLY KILLED VITO BORELLI,HE SHOT HIM IN THE HEAD.THIS HAS BEEN CONFIRMED IN NUMEROUS COURT DOCUMENTS AND TESTIMONY.THE HIT WAS DONE AS A FAVOR TO PAULIE CASTELLANO.
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Here is a cool video on Vario, I saw it a while ago. If I recall correctly, it mentions the affair with Henry Hills wife, if that’s Karen? The whole video series is sweet, lots of videos, lots of cool history. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JcFpQ6Ryaq0
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Borelli was an associate of the bonnano family..He said castellano looked like Frank Perdue..Anthony Rabito,Roy Demeo,Massino and Sal Vitale were also involved in this murder https://www.nydailynews.com/news/cr...-mobster-vinny-gorgeous-article-1.115099This touches on it Massino fingered John Gotti as the killer in a 1975 gangland hit of Vito Borelli never before attributed to the late Gambino boss. Borelli was whacked in a cookie warehouse because he said mob chieftain Paul Castellano resembled chicken king Frank Perdue.
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