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Re: The Patriarca Family of New England
[Re: furio_from_naples]
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07/15/20 04:38 AM
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Its strange that a family with such large recruitment pool had only 30-40 made men. I did a bit of math..... 1 million Italians in New York. There is 400-500 made members in New York, or came from New York. There is 250,000 Italians in Rhode Island and Boston (New England family turf), so by my estimate, if we use New York as a measuring stick, there should be 100-125 made members in Boston and Rhode Island. But clearly this has never been the case. Very strange indeed.
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Re: The Patriarca Family of New England
[Re: Neo]
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07/15/20 06:07 AM
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Its strange that a family with such large recruitment pool had only 30-40 made men. I did a bit of math..... 1 million Italians in New York. There is 400-500 made members in New York, or came from New York. There is 250,000 Italians in Rhode Island and Boston (New England family turf), so by my estimate, if we use New York as a measuring stick, there should be 100-125 made members in Boston and Rhode Island. But clearly this has never been the case. Very strange indeed. At their peak the Patriarcas had 100 made men but after Patriarcas sr death in 1984 and thanks to Connolly and Bulger the hierarchy (Angiulo and Zannino) was arrested and wild bill grasso and salemme fighted for the take the family and so on. With a better boss the family would have today if not 100 maybe 50-60 active members.
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Re: The Patriarca Family of New England
[Re: Neo]
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07/15/20 06:11 AM
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Its strange that a family with such large recruitment pool had only 30-40 made men. I did a bit of math..... 1 million Italians in New York. There is 400-500 made members in New York, or came from New York. There is 250,000 Italians in Rhode Island and Boston (New England family turf), so by my estimate, if we use New York as a measuring stick, there should be 100-125 made members in Boston and Rhode Island. But clearly this has never been the case. Very strange indeed. I don't think that was only 400-500 made men. The Genoveses and Gambinos have both almost 200 made men,the Luccheses and Colombos had 100 made men each and Bonanno more than 100. So almost 700 made men.
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Re: The Patriarca Family of New England
[Re: NYMafia]
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07/15/20 12:29 PM
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Realistically, how many making ceremonies have they really had since Sr passed? Two? The Medford ceremony and then a few years ago in Boston? No new blood. Thats why the numbers are way off
" If you're going to be bad, be good at it "
Jerry Tillinghast
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Re: The Patriarca Family of New England
[Re: furio_from_naples]
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07/15/20 02:09 PM
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Its strange that a family with such large recruitment pool had only 30-40 made men. I did a bit of math..... 1 million Italians in New York. There is 400-500 made members in New York, or came from New York. There is 250,000 Italians in Rhode Island and Boston (New England family turf), so by my estimate, if we use New York as a measuring stick, there should be 100-125 made members in Boston and Rhode Island. But clearly this has never been the case. Very strange indeed. I don't think that was only 400-500 made men. The Genoveses and Gambinos have both almost 200 made men,the Luccheses and Colombos had 100 made men each and Bonanno more than 100. So almost 700 made men. The Lukes have 80 made guys with about 60 active made members according to turncoat Pennisi. The Colombo's have about 60 made guys with 40-50 active members, they are almost the same as the DeCavalcantes in terms of active made members. The Genoveses have 12 crews and the Gambino's have 10 crews. I don't know their membership numbers but they don't have 200 made members each, at least not 200 active made members. The Bonanno's possibly have 100 made guys but the amount of active members will be less than that. The FBI estimated that the US Cosa Nostra has a total of 3000 members and associates nationwide.
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Re: The Patriarca Family of New England
[Re: The_Marble_Guy]
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07/16/20 08:24 PM
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Realistically, how many making ceremonies have they really had since Sr passed? Two? The Medford ceremony and then a few years ago in Boston? No new blood. Thats why the numbers are way off RI had one in 97 for a few guys. Whether it was recognized by all 5 families depends on who you talk to
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Re: The Patriarca Family of New England
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07/20/20 11:30 AM
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It’s been extremely quiet in terms of current activity over the past few years. Yes, there was the old murder that sent Cadillac Frank away for life. But in terms of activity now, only Angelesco pinch has been in the news. Probably just how they like it.
That being said, the cheese man is supposed to have made a couple of young Boston guys in the past couple of years including his nephew. That's the last ceremony I thought to take place. When the nephew and 2 others got made. But it could be the case of making guys on the go, that way theres no attention.
" If you're going to be bad, be good at it "
Jerry Tillinghast
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Re: The Patriarca Family of New England
[Re: NYMafia]
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07/20/20 11:46 AM
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@NYMafia I saw that you have Bonafiglia listed as a made member on the current leadership chart. Has that been confirmed? I always saw him listed as an associate.
" If you're going to be bad, be good at it "
Jerry Tillinghast
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Re: The Patriarca Family of New England
[Re: The_Marble_Guy]
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07/20/20 04:32 PM
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Hi Marble Guy, thanks for reading and your interest in my expose. The more current membership list I provided at the bottom of the Pictorial chart on New England that I designed doesn't confirm that Bonafiglia is an "inducted" soldier per se, only that he is a more "current" player in the Family.
To the contrary I tried to qualify the list created by specifically stating above the list that "most" named were members or high ranking associates.
I wrote "Most listed are inducted, the balance are top-ranked associates. Informants are marked with an * asterisk"
My reason for that is that although I am generally familiar with NE, and much more familiar with the earlier wiseguys from there, without a doubt there are some that I am wholly unfamiliar with. So I wouldn't wanna make that judgement call understand?
I come from NYC. In my town I'm extremely familiar with who's who so to speak. Not as much with current NE guys.
In regards to Bonafiglia, are you saying you are relatively certain he's an "associate?" Because you may very well be correct. I am not the one to confirm his status one way or the other. Lol
Anyway, I'm happy that you read my articles on the Patriarca crew. I do hope you enjoyed them... I do try. lol
Stay well my friend....sincerely, "The Other Guy"
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Re: The Patriarca Family of New England
[Re: NYMafia]
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07/20/20 11:49 PM
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@NYMafia I always like reading about my backyard. And I appreciate you for putting these articles together. Did pretty well for someone not from here. Idk what the status on someone like Richard is. I’ve alwAys been under the assumption he was an associate based on how he’s been identified in the past. But as mentioned in this thread there could have been a few quick makings over recent years. So who knows.
" If you're going to be bad, be good at it "
Jerry Tillinghast
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Re: The Patriarca Family of New England
[Re: The_Marble_Guy]
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07/21/20 02:48 AM
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@NYMafia I always like reading about my backyard. And I appreciate you for putting these articles together. Did pretty well for someone not from here. Idk what the status on someone like Richard is. I’ve alwAys been under the assumption he was an associate based on how he’s been identified in the past. But as mentioned in this thread there could have been a few quick makings over recent years. So who knows. I've always been interested the New England crew. Gotta tell ya that we've visited Providence and eaten up in Federal Hill. I enjoyed checking out the area. And I've been up to Boston's North End several times. I really like their Little Italy. Obviously much smaller than what NYC had, but also much cleaner and quaint. Very historic, a nice restaurant row. I was there when they had they're annual feast, I think it might have been "St. Anthony of Padua" if I'm not mistaken. Very enjoyable. I recommend it... my children who were young at the time really enjoyed it as well. I thought Raymond always ran a small, tight crew......lot of blood split over the years, Lol, but a good little Family none the less.
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Re: The Patriarca Family of New England
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07/21/20 10:21 AM
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http://mafiamembershipcharts.blogspot.com/search/label/New%20England1. Angelesco-William 1971 Boston 2. Ascenzia-Anthony The Beaver Connect. 3. Barone-Pasquale Patsy 1961 Prov. R.I. 4. Bonfiglia-Richard 1954 Prov. R.I. 5. Bufalino-Darin 1961- 6. Capasso-Dennis JJ. Coliseum 1958 Prov. R.I. 7. Capone-Vincent Boston 8. Carlo-Anthony Chuckie 9. Caruana-Salvatore 1938 10. Carozza-Robert Bobby Russo 1940 11. Cincotti-John 1939 Boston 12. Chiampa-Alfred Fred 1934 13. Colantoni-Frank 14. Costa-Gregory Fat Boy 1970 Boston 15. Cucinotta-Antonino Nino 16. D'Aquila-Salvatore Butch 1941- Connect. 17. DelSanto-William Billy Black 1943 Prov. R.I. 18. DeLuca-Robert Buddy 1946 Prov. R.I. 19. DiGiacomo-Biaggio Benny 1946 20. DiNunzio-Anthony 1958 N.Boston 21. DiNunzio-Carmen Big Cheese 1957 Boss Boston 22. DiNunzio-Louis 1987 23. Federico-Vincent Vinny Fed 1959- Medford 24. Ferrara-Vincent The Animal 1949 25. Folco-Rocco Rocky 1947 Prov. R.I. 26. Frisoli-Michael 27. Galea-Pasquale 1942 Prov. R.I. 28. Gambale-Richard The Pig 1942 Malden 29. Gioacchini-Vincent Dee Dee 1952 Boston 30. Grasso-Mariano Mario 1950 Connect. 31. Gugliemetti-Matthew Snr. Matty 1948 Prov. R.I. 32. Guglielmetti-Matt Jnr. Good-looking Matt 1948 Prov.,R.I. 33. Imbruglia-Frank 1931 Boston 34. LePore-Dennis Champagne 1946- Boston 35. Limone-Frank 195?- Boston 36. Mannocchio-Louis Baby Shanks 1927 Prov. R.I. (retired) 37. Marfeo-Blaize 1941- Prov.,R.I. 38. Martorano-James* 1945- 39. Milano-Carmelo Auto Man 40. Milano-Gaetano Costello 1951 Springfield 41. Parillo-Anthony Prov. RI 42. Paterno-Joseph 1962- 43. Paterno-Joseph Jnr. Prov. R.I. 44. Pingaro-Joseph Junior 1956 Boston 45. Proccillo-Michael 46. Quintina-Pryce Stretch Revere 47. Rizzo-Anthony 1963 Boston 48. Rosetti-Stephen 1959 49. Rossetti-Mark 1960 Boston 50. Ruggiero-Joseph 1949 Prov. R.I. 51. Salemme-Jack Action Jackson 1943 Prov. R.I. 52. Scudieri-John 53. Simone-Alfred Neighbour 1950 Boston 54. Simonelli-G ? Hartford, Connect. 55. Spagnolo-Anthony Spucky 1942 Capo 1980- Boston 56. Tortora-Carmen 1947 Boston 57. Vitello-John 1947
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Re: The Patriarca Family of New England
[Re: NYMafia]
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07/21/20 04:00 PM
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@NYMafia I always like reading about my backyard. And I appreciate you for putting these articles together. Did pretty well for someone not from here. Idk what the status on someone like Richard is. I’ve alwAys been under the assumption he was an associate based on how he’s been identified in the past. But as mentioned in this thread there could have been a few quick makings over recent years. So who knows. I've always been interested the New England crew. Gotta tell ya that we've visited Providence and eaten up in Federal Hill. I enjoyed checking out the area. And I've been up to Boston's North End several times. I really like their Little Italy. Obviously much smaller than what NYC had, but also much cleaner and quaint. Very historic, a nice restaurant row. I was there when they had they're annual feast, I think it might have been "St. Anthony of Padua" if I'm not mistaken. Very enjoyable. I recommend it... my children who were young at the time really enjoyed it as well. I thought Raymond always ran a small, tight crew......lot of blood split over the years, Lol, but a good little Family none the less. @nymafia agreed. They’ve always been an interesting subject to discuss. Not being bias cause I’m from there but from researching through the years they’ve always been fun to read about. Yea federal hill isn’t what it was, same with mulberry. North end is the best imo. But they’re all fun in their ways. Plus NY has always had good relations with us. And I’ve heard many stories of even guys like Gotti visiting every so often. He was friendly with Gerard and so on. So there’s always been that connection there. Makes for great convo.
" If you're going to be bad, be good at it "
Jerry Tillinghast
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Re: The Patriarca Family of New England
[Re: furio_from_naples]
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07/26/20 05:26 AM
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