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Re: The Bonanno Family Organization circa 1956-1968 [Re: Njein] #997971
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Sure, its possible that They may have done something but also remember that Gambino was responsible for Genovese going to prison. So its also possible he would've have been fine with the move, if it were to really take place.


"Joe Bananas went after Carlo Gambino, the war went on for seven years..... When guys go to the mattresses, they're not out earning" -Tony Soprano
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VINCENZO "VINCENT" TARANTOLA
was a blood relative of the Boss, Joe Bonanno. For a time he lived and represented the Family in Cuba in the mid-50s. He became a Capo and had dealings with the likes of Santo Trafficante Jr. on the island. After the fall of the Cuban operations due to the end of Bautista's reign, Tarantola relocated to the Family home base, Brooklyn. He remained loyal throughout the "Bananas War". Several of his children and other relatives remained in allegiance to Joe Bonanno in Arizona.


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Originally Posted by Dob_Peppino
Sure, its possible that They may have done something but also remember that Gambino was responsible for Genovese going to prison. So its also possible he would've have been fine with the move, if it were to really take place.


Gambino was in no way responsible for Genovese going to prison. If Vito had any inkling at all that he was set up anyone and everyone involved would have been hit like Costello, Anastasia and Moretti were.

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Originally Posted by Dob_Peppino
In keeping with the spirit of NYMAFIA's plea to the members of the forum, I have taken it upon myself to create a general "Family Hierarchy" during the period of when the were probably most powerful (1956) going into their first tumultuous period of the late 1960s. This is based on the best possible research I have available and is by no means the Bible on this subject matter. It will probably be as close as anyone has done this particularly at least. All the names on the list have at least two sources. I hope this encourages people to examine this and the other Families more thoroughly. I'd like to see this done for the other "outfits". Anways, Here goes......

The Joseph Bonanno Crime Family circa 1956-1968

Upper Echelon Members of Various Leadership Roles
1.) JOE BONANNO (Head Leader/Boss, Rackateer/Legitimate Businessman and Overseer of the Organization, with Criminal and Political Connections across the Country and Strong Familial Ties to Sicily known Joe Bananas/Peppino)
2.) FRANCESCO GAROFALO ( Underboss/organizer of International Family Affairs known as Frank Carroll)
3.) CARMINE GALANTE (Leader of Canadian Faction/control of the Herion racket known as Lilo)
4.)JOHN TARTAMELLA ( Consigliere of the Family/control of the Babers union)
5.) GASPAR DI GREGORIO (Longtime Capo/NY Faction Leader, strong connections to the Commission)
6.) JOHN MORALES (Leader of Bonanno Loyalist Faction/Street crew known as Johnny Burns)

CAPOREGIME
NATALE "JOE DIAMOND" EVOLA.
PAUL SCIACCA
PHILLIP " RUSTY" RASTELLI.
SALVATORE "BILL" BONANNO
FRANK LABRUZZO.
THOMAS "SMITTY" DI ANGELO
ANGELO CARUSO.
JOSEPH "LITTLE JOE" NOTARO
GIOVANNI BONVENTRE.
JOSEPH " BAYONNE JOE" ZICARELLI
FRANK MARI.
NICOLO ALFANO
JOHN AQUARO.
MICHELE "MIKE" SABELLA
GIUSEPPE DE FILLPO.
VINCENT TARANTOLA

SOLDATO/SOLDIERS (Membership spread across over a dozen crew in territory across the U.S. Brooklyn, NY. Tucson, Arizona. Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Montreal, Canada. San Jose, California. Miami, Florida. Cuba. Castellamare Del Golfo, Sicily)

The Criminal expertise: International Drug Trafficking, Legitimate Business (Dairy Factory, Funeral Parlor, Trucking, Bakery, Babershop) infiltration, LoanSharking, Gambling (sports betting and Numbers, Games) Hijacking/Fencing, Bank/credit Fraud, Pornography, Robbery.

The New York Faction (The Core of the group based in mainly in Brooklyn, headed by faction leaders DI GREGORIO (rebel group), LABRUZZO (Bonanno Loyalist) and CARUSO (Old Timers/Neutral) )

MICHAEL "MIKE BRUNO" CONSOLO.
SALVATORE GRIPPI
ANTHONY RIELA.
ANGELO "LITTLE MOE" PRESENZANO
MICHAEL ADAMO.
VINCENT CASESSE
ROSARIO "SALLY BURNS" MORALE.
NICK CASTELLO
EPIFANIO "FRANK" DI ANGELO
ALFONSE DEMARINES.
MICHAEL BONFONDEO
JOSEPH "JOE CHICK" DI GIOVANNA
GUISEPPE BUCCELATO.
VINCENZO ASARO
VINCENT "JIMMY" DEPASQUALE.
PIETRO "SKINNY PETE" CROCIATA
ANGELO SALVO.
JACK LANGOBARDI
VITO DE FILLPO
DOMENICO "MIMI" SABELLA.
SALVATORE GIGLIO
GAETANO "TONY" LISI.
MICHAEL "MICKEY" ZAFFARANO
JAMES GALANTE.
VITO GRIMALDI.
STEFANO "STEVIE BEEFS" CANNONE
JOSPEH SPADARO.
TONY CANZONERI
ARMONDO POLLASTRINO.
NICHOLAS "THE BATTLER" DI STEFANO
MATTEO VALVO.
EUGENE TRAMANGLINO
"BIG" WILLIAM RIVIELLO.
FRANK BONOMO
ANDREW "ANDY CURLEY" BUCARO
ANTHONY RABITO.
ANGELO LAPI
IGNAZIO CANNONE.
VINCENT "FORT LEE JIMMY" CAPASSO
SERENO "BOBBY T" TARTAMELLA.
FRANK "FRANKIE 500" TELLERI
PAOLO CAMPANELLA.
GIRALOMO ASARO
NICHOLAS BUTTAFUCCO.
BIAGO RESTIVO
PIETRO "PETER" LICATA.
MICHELE "MICHAEL ANGELO" ANGELINA
MICHAEL "THE SAILOR" CASALE.
NICHOLAS "NICKY GLASSES" MARANGELLO
ANTHONY CRISCI.
CAMILLO SARDEGNA
JOSPEH "JIMMY" GENNA
JOHN GRANELLO
JAMES "BLACK JIM" COLLETTI
CONSTENZO VALENTE.
STEFANO "STEVE" MENNA
RALPH DUCE
BENJAMIN VALVO.
VINCENT GAROFALO
PHILLIP "PHIL LUCKY" GIACCONE
PETER CINQUEMANI
ANTHONY DI GREGORIO
WILLIAM DARA.
GEORGE "GEORGIE LEFTY" RIZZO
VICTOR TRAMANGLINO
JOSEPH "JOE" DI MARIA
GIOVANNI "JOHN" FIORDILLINO
FRANK TARTAMELLA
ANTHONY "TONY GREEN" URSO
FRANK "PARDINI" PRESENZANO
GASPAR CAMMARATA
MARTIN BONVENTRE
PASQUALE "PATSY" GIGANTI
VITTORIO "VICTOR" ANELLO
CARMINE RUSSO
SALVATORE AMICO
JOHN CAMPANELLA
MATTEO DI GREGORIO
CHARLES "CHARLIE FISH" DI BERNARDO
MARIENELLO "MARTY" RASTELLI
JAMES DI ANGELO
SALVATORE IPPOLITTO
JOSEPH STABILE
GIUSEPPE ASARO
FRANCESCO CROCIATA
JOSEPH "JOE PARKER" MORSELLINO
ANTHONY ARENA
FRANK MISTRETTA
PHILLIP TARTAGLIA
MICHAEL "BIG MIKE" ALLEGATO
VINCENT "TAPPY" SOVIERO
ANTHONY LUCIDO
JOSEPH MESSINA


THE West Coast Faction (generally Bonanno Regime Loyalist led by Salvatore Bonanno) (Territories in Tuscon,Ar. San Diego, CA. San Jose, Ca.)

CARLO "BUDDY" SIMARI.
SAMUEL "HANK" PERRONE
VITO MULE
NICK GUASTELLA
PETER NOTARO.
JOSEPH GENOVESE.
SANTO MANFRE.
PETER MAGADDINO
PIETRO SCIORTINO
ANTHONY TARANTOLA
ANGELO MONTE
PROSPECT MULE
GIUSEPPE VENZA
SALVATORE MIRABILE.
ANTONIO BELLO.
PATRICK DE FILLPO
GASPAR MAGADDINO
GIOVANNI "JOHN" DIBELLA
NICHOLAS "NICK ZAPARANA" ZAFFARANO
ANTONIO "SHORT PANTS" CACIOPO
SALVATORE "MARTIN" BRUNO
ANTHONY SCIUTO



International Guys (members with influence/business interests in Montreal, Canada. Tijuana, Mexico. Cuba. Sicily)

FRANK GAROFALO* (the "Sotto-Capo" and overseer of drug trade based in Castellamare Del Golfo Sicily)
VINCENZO MORSELLINO (sleeper Drug trafficker with ties Sicily)
GIOVANNI "JOHN BENNETT" PETRONE (traveler and Representative of the Family)
FRANK DASTI (montreal Faction)
LUIGI GRECO (montreal Faction)
LOUIS "RUBY" GRECO (montreal Faction)
VIC COTRONI (montreal powerhouse connection/Boss)
FRANK COTRONI (montreal faction)
ANTONIO RIZZUTO (montreal faction)
MICHAEL CASALE* (traveler/international messenger)
VINCENT TARANTOLA* ( in control of cuban and Miami interest)
CHARLES BATTAGLIA* ( Operations in Mexico)
TONY CRISCI* (International drug tracking/ ties in Sicily)
PIOLO VIOLI ( montreal faction/Cotroni Capo)
ANTHONY MARULLI (deported Canadian contact/Galante Loyalist)
FRANK "CHOW" MANCINO (Brooklyn trafficker/strong Canadian connection)


The Associates ( of varying power, influence or importance.... some may have been made but I didn't see enough information on it.)

Benjamin "lefty guns" Ruggiero.
Joseph Massino
Anthony Mirra.
Alfred Embarratto
Alphonse "sonny red" Indelicato.
Dominick " sonny black" Napolitano
Thomas Pitera.
Emanuel " Manny" Guaragna
James "jimmy" Esiscopia.
Anthony Graziano
Anthony Spero.
George Di Benedetto
Peter Monteleone.
Salvatore Catalano
Gerlando Sciascia.
Gerald " Jerry" Chilli
John Zancocchio.
Salvatore Vitale
Antonio "boots" Tomasulo


Remember this is Not the Gospel but I can assure you it was thoroughly researched. Of Course, the true membership is lost to history but I believe this is a true representation of the Family's membership at the time. And If you know stories of these lesser known figures, you'll see the Bonannos were a underrated and little understood organization (compared to the other Families).
ALSO REMEMBER! This is a "Circa" time frame so if certain people aren't where they really were, it is more of a generalization of their known rank and perceived importance during this time period.

Tell stories and add forgotten names in the thread!
Hopefully the Other Families can be done this way.




Wasn't Vic Cotroni a capo for the Bonanno family as well

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Vic Cotroni was reported to be a Capo for the Bonannos in Canada. But seeing as to he was actually a boss of his own Family, I felt he better fit under the "International guys" classification with the others from the Montreal faction


"Joe Bananas went after Carlo Gambino, the war went on for seven years..... When guys go to the mattresses, they're not out earning" -Tony Soprano
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Sure, its possible that They may have done something but also remember that Gambino was responsible for Genovese going to prison. So its also possible he would've have been fine with the move, if it were to really take place.


Gambino was in no way responsible for Genovese going to prison. If Vito had any inkling at all that he was set up anyone and everyone involved would have been hit like Costello, Anastasia and Moretti were.



The word on the streets is Costello, Lucchesse, Gambino conspired to get Genovese in prison. Whether its true or not, doesn't matter because Genovese was removed from the situation. And by this time Genovese's "supposed Loyalist" like Tony Bender Strollo felt it more lucrative to go into business for himself. This is also the beginning of the whole "sleeper" powers truthfully running the Family in the shadows. There was so many powerhouses in that Family, I'm sure they (alot) were glad to see Vito go. Nobody wants to deal with a tyrant after have years of relative peaceful prosperity under Costello.


"Joe Bananas went after Carlo Gambino, the war went on for seven years..... When guys go to the mattresses, they're not out earning" -Tony Soprano
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Originally Posted by Dob_Peppino
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Originally Posted by Dob_Peppino
Sure, its possible that They may have done something but also remember that Gambino was responsible for Genovese going to prison. So its also possible he would've have been fine with the move, if it were to really take place.


Gambino was in no way responsible for Genovese going to prison. If Vito had any inkling at all that he was set up anyone and everyone involved would have been hit like Costello, Anastasia and Moretti were.



The word on the streets is Costello, Lucchesse, Gambino conspired to get Genovese in prison. Whether its true or not, doesn't matter because Genovese was removed from the situation. And by this time Genovese's "supposed Loyalist" like Tony Bender Strollo felt it more lucrative to go into business for himself. This is also the beginning of the whole "sleeper" powers truthfully running the Family in the shadows. There was so many powerhouses in that Family, I'm sure they (alot) were glad to see Vito go. Nobody wants to deal with a tyrant after have years of relative peaceful prosperity under Costello.


Very true the borgata had a good thing under Costello. He was loose handed with them and not demanding of monies because he was so wealthy in his own right. He left his underboss Moretti and other top capos mostly in charge. Everybody ate, and most everybody was happy.

Vito came back and through shear strength of character and raw fear mobilized and whipped his "Napolitano" faction into a cadre of supporters in order to move against Costello for the leadership..... the rest is history

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I am currently working on the daunting task of putting threads together for the very powerful and super intricate Genovese and Gambino Family during this era. They were interesting and complex even then.


"Joe Bananas went after Carlo Gambino, the war went on for seven years..... When guys go to the mattresses, they're not out earning" -Tony Soprano
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@NYmafia I have an observation. Do you think that the Bonannos were "quasi" punished for the Castellamarese War? Besides Joe B. only want people from a specific region in Sicily, it seems that after the war, most of the big time earners were in Lucianos camp. Alot of the big players in other Families were Associates and "placed" with the other crews namely Anastasia and Lucchesse (I know he was with Gagliano before hand but he was closer with the young turks). Meanwhile, the Bonannos were always squeezed in by the other Families and Joe became very prosperous outside New York. Could that have been by design? And could Bonanno's action had been a reaction to the scenario he was placed in? Bonanno was protected by his lineage and so he was in a perfect position to be elevated to Boss, Meanwhile keeping a lid on guys Luciano didn't know, didn't want too or couldn't work with


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Originally Posted by Dob_Peppino
@NYmafia I have an observation. Do you think that the Bonannos were "quasi" punished for the Castellamarese War? Besides Joe B. only want people from a specific region in Sicily, it seems that after the war, most of the big time earners were in Lucianos camp. Alot of the big players in other Families were Associates and "placed" with the other crews namely Anastasia and Lucchesse (I know he was with Gagliano before hand but he was closer with the young turks). Meanwhile, the Bonannos were always squeezed in by the other Families and Joe became very prosperous outside New York. Could that have been by design? And could Bonanno's action had been a reaction to the scenario he was placed in? Bonanno was protected by his lineage and so he was in a perfect position to be elevated to Boss, Meanwhile keeping a lid on guys Luciano didn't know, didn't want too or couldn't work with

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I don't think that was the case. What I do believe was that what later became known as the Bonanno crew were comprised of mafioso primarily from Castellammare del Golfo who were just very insular among themselves, much more so than the American-bred or Italian mainland members who were not strictly Sicilian but varied from different parts of Italy. The Genovese for instance had a huge contingent of Calabrians and Neopolitans, as well as many Jewish hoods, Irish and other ethnicities. They were more open to many varied far flung racket schemes. By contrast the tight-knit suspicious Sicilian born members were not. They mostly stayed to themselves which in a sense was a great, and not so great thing because it gave them tremendous solidarity and a low-key almost invisible unity. But it also limited many members rackets options.

Remember too that Joe Bonanno himself was a bit stingy as far as "sharing" wealth.

Even the Gagliano/Lucchese were also mostly Sicilian bred, but both Tommy's had a different mindset and were much more generous and loose with their men. Both in sharing the wealth, as well as allowing them a wide berth in their operations. And the Lucchese crew also had many Napolitano members, whereas the Bonanno's have nearly none.

The Bonanno's were in retrospect one of the most "Antica" or "old fashioned" families in the nation, most similar to a true Sicilian cosca from back in Sicily itself. So they operated in a much different fashion. For instance there were some in their borgata that never committed a crime or broke the law in their lives. They were small businessmen, a doctor, a lawyer, mason, etc. They were "made" into the family for the service they could possibly perform on behalf of the borgata, or because they were "compare" with a member or related by blood, or had been born in the Family's homeland of Castellammare.

Most of the other families in NYC recruited young hoodlums from the neighborhood more than strictly by blood and lineage. So decide for yourself which was better, but thats how I viewed it. I was also very, very close personally to members of this Family and know firsthand how their early mindset worked. There were other heavily Sicilian crews throughout America also operated in this manner, but in NYC they were the primary crew with this rigid and singular mindset. Nowadays it different, but I'm speaking of an earlier era.

Remember too that the Masseria/Luciano Family was a huge sized crew by comparison to the Bonanno's. And they were always far-flung in their operations by the very early structure of the crew. They operated in many areas. Bonanno did not.

Do NOT look at how Joe Bonanno expansed in territory in the 1950s-1960s era. I'm talking originally. Bonanno members were 90% based in North Brooklyn or Lower Manhattan. In later years they expanded to the Bronx, Queens, a little Jersey, LI, and then eventually Bonanno himself went out to Arizona, Cali., etc. But with the exception of Montreal where he had a full blown regime, it was really all about Joe Bonanno's personal wealth and businesses out that way. NOT his basic rank and file understand?
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That said, the Bonanno's were not nearly the overall wealthiest Family in NYC. Some crews were huge, some were half the size of others, but If I had to rank them "pound for pound proportionately" for wealth, money, and assets, I'd rank the Five Families as follows.

#1 would be a near tie between the Genovese and Lucchese Family. Even though the Lucchese were the smallest crew in the city, their men earned well. NOT in the last 30 years or so. But I'm talking at their peak in the 1950s-1960s era. Pound for pound their men were generally wealthier.

#2 Gambino - big crew and plenty of earners as well.

#3 Profaci/Colombo Family

#4 Bonanno Family

CAVEAT TO MY LIST: When I say they were the "wealthiest", it is a very deceptive statement. Always remember that each borgata has men who are multimillionaires, men who are wealthy, men who are moderately wealthy, men who just grind a decent living, and men who are complete unequivocal brokesters. But overall because of size, but also because of the way in which wealth was shared in a particular crew, or the Lucchese who were always big junk dealers or ran huge numbers businesses because they were based in Harlem where that biz really thrived, etc etc. Some Families rank and file did better than others.

for a very small family the Lucchese also held control over a disproportionate number of labor unions which brought great wealth and influence. Tommy Lucchese also had a lot of political sway, as did Frank Costello of the Genovese. This gave those 2 crews added strength.

Thats NOT to say that the other families didn't have unions, deal babania, have politicians under their thumb, or also have very wealthy mafiosi among their ranks, because they did. It only means that the above Families had a bit more pound for pound, etc.

NOTE: In truth there are SO MANY factors that go into the mix that I find myself getting deeper into this explanation than I wanted to. Thats because everything ties into everything else. There are 100 more things to be explained but these are a few of the basic facts that made the mob landscape of that era in NYC.

But it's ALL changed now. Every crew is much different than I talked about above. The Lucchese for instance are all fucked up. So are the DeCavalcante, Colombo and Bonanno. Only the Gambino and Genovese still hold it together a bit, and even thats changing rapidly I assure you.

Today there are a few crews (the ones you don't hear about) who still earn. But most guys are broke. The wealthy ones (and smarter ones) have stepped back so you'll probably never heard or read their names in the newspaper and thats a fact.

The guys you do read about who get pinched are "generally" lower end guys, or guys who are desperate to earn $$. Why the fuck would anybody who already has big bucks risk 20 years in prison unless he's a jerkoff or he's broke? You tell me??

There's your answer!






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What do you like or find fascinating about this Bonanno Family during this early era? And why do you think Profaci was more open then Bonanno although they were similar?

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As far as fascinating I'd have to say that each borgata holds it'd own interest for me. I don't consider the Bonanno any more or less interesting that the next.

As far as "being open" as you say? For one Profaci made sure to set up each of his kids, and his brother Sal and Sal's kids very, very well. Each were deeply enmeshed in Profaci "legitimate" holdings and later inherited his assets to operate for decades to come.

His vast real estate, tomato and olive oil importing companies, etc. Each were multimillion-dollar concerns. Garment factories, storefronts, land holdings, etc, etc. These things (assets) were staffed with his children, nephews and nieces from the time they were young and they learned the business. They were sheltered and protected, both financially and physically.

Joe Profaci was NOT exposing his beloved children to mob elements. Even his son Sal, and nephews who were prone to the life were "made" but given solid big money jobs and businesses so that generally speaking they didn't need to risk exposure and arrest in "the streets". All this was accomplished despite Profaci dying in 1962.

Yet Joe Bonanno lived to 97 years old and died in what? 2002?...... for decades he had his son Bill living like half a pauper. It forced Bill (the son of a boss who had more money than God himself) to get involved in petty crimes, fraud, stolen credit card, scams, etc., that saw him imprisoned over and over.

Yet Bonanno never lifted a finger to help pay the lawyers, or support Bills family while he was in prison. You would think that Bonanno would have put his kids into Grande Cheese, Saputo, or had them run his cotton farm, or handle/manage his vast tracts of real estate. Or his other assets. But no? Why is that?

Bill Bonanno was treated like a jerk off, yet was his "blood" son. His heir! .... This was the guy he wanted to make consigliere remember?

Joe Bonanno had some very weird ways. He was a very stingy guy at his core. THAT is obvious. To the detriment of his family, and his Family. By the time Bonanno died he son was pretty much burnt out himself, already in his early 70s. For what? So Joe could take his money to the grave with him??

Profaci died 40 years earlier but still managed to set all his family up for generations to come. And believe me Bonanno had just as much wealth as Profaci.

Thats only one major difference.

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Interesting observation. I don't know why Joe didn't set Bill up with something lucrative but here's my guess. Bill always adamant that he decided to join "the life" and that his father was against it at first. Maybe as a father, he was not going to reward him for rebelling. Maybe he thought, if you wanna be in the life, you're gonna really be in it. Bill was not a criminal, he should have just stayed out west and never except Consigliere. I think he really wanted to be in the thick of things. That's the only way he thought, he could be respected is by imposing himself in the hierarchy. Especially since Joe was losing his hold on the Family by mid-60s. I still believe if Galante or Joe Diamond wasn't in prison, the Bananas War may not have happened.

When it comes to Profaci, I more meant, he was more "open minded" to deal with other Italians and a more dangerous element within his Family.

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Originally Posted by Dob_Peppino
Interesting observation. I don't know why Joe didn't set Bill up with something lucrative but here's my guess. Bill always adamant that he decided to join "the life" and that his father was against it at first. Maybe as a father, he was not going to reward him for rebelling. Maybe he thought, if you wanna be in the life, you're gonna really be in it. Bill was not a criminal, he should have just stayed out west and never except Consigliere. I think he really wanted to be in the thick of things. That's the only way he thought, he could be respected is by imposing himself in the hierarchy. Especially since Joe was losing his hold on the Family by mid-60s. I still believe if Galante or Joe Diamond wasn't in prison, the Bananas War may not have happened.

When it comes to Profaci, I more meant, he was more "open minded" to deal with other Italians and a more dangerous element within his Family.

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I think both Profaci and Bonanno was masterminds at what they did, and VERY capable mafiosi. Both VERY respected. They were powerhouses. The Gallo brothers were clearly screwballs, all of them. Because although they may have had valid complaints, you see they couldn't get along with anyone. NO good. Thats why Joe Gallo got clipped in the end. He was a bit whacky, and full of himself.

Natale Evola, Nicolo Alfano, and a few other old-timers is where this family should have gone. The Bonanno's would have been in great shape. IMO

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I agre with you. Evola, Alfano and even Sciacca should have been the leaders after 68 but nobody could really work together. I also find it interesting that, their clannish nature work against them in another aspect of mob politics. No one other than Joe Bonanno could really garner enough support from other Families to demand the same level of respect.


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Originally Posted by Dob_Peppino
I agre with you. Evola, Alfano and even Sciacca should have been the leaders after 68 but nobody could really work together. I also find it interesting that, their clannish nature work against them in another aspect of mob politics. No one other than Joe Bonanno could really garner enough support from other Families to demand the same level of respect.


Joe Natale had it, very respected, but he died of cancer young. that fucked them up again

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It's a double edged sword being the most Sicilian of the Five Families: their cohesiveness during the Castellammarese War made them unified against Masseria, but in later years, their insularity, especially within the Sicilian contingent of the family, is what weakened them by the 1970s. By the time Rastelli was thrown off the Commission, the other families thought little of them.

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Originally Posted by Njein
It's a double edged sword being the most Sicilian of the Five Families: their cohesiveness during the Castellammarese War made them unified against Masseria, but in later years, their insularity, especially within the Sicilian contingent of the family, is what weakened them by the 1970s. By the time Rastelli was thrown off the Commission, the other families thought little of them.

I believe it is simply because the other Families only respect strength. Its easy for them to keep you off the Commission, when the Family you represent is divided. Your strength as a Boss (when politicking, comes from your allies on the Commission and the power you wield over your crews.) If your Family doesn't support you, the other Families won't respect you. Especially when its in there best interests to undermine your position.

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Originally Posted by Njein
It's a double edged sword being the most Sicilian of the Five Families: their cohesiveness during the Castellammarese War made them unified against Masseria, but in later years, their insularity, especially within the Sicilian contingent of the family, is what weakened them by the 1970s. By the time Rastelli was thrown off the Commission, the other families thought little of them.

I believe it is simply because the other Families only respect strength. Its easy for them to keep you off the Commission, when the Family you represent is divided. Your strength as a Boss (when politicking, comes from your allies on the Commission and the power you wield over your crews.) If your Family doesn't support you, the other Families won't respect you. Especially when its in there best interests to undermine your position.


Absolutely. Strength IS power. No matter how nice you are, wiseguys are like hawks, especially the upper level bosses. If they smell weakness they'll jump all over you.

Since I see that you like delving into the Bonanno Family. I while ago I had gotten a request to create a bio on two Bonanno guys who were largely mysteries. I forget who the forum member was, but they stated how little information and intel was even out there available on them.... well I'm happy to report that after much deep research I've put together an extensive profile on them that I think does em justice.

We'll be putting it up soon. I hope you enjoy it.

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Originally Posted by Dob_Peppino
I agre with you. Evola, Alfano and even Sciacca should have been the leaders after 68 but nobody could really work together. I also find it interesting that, their clannish nature work against them in another aspect of mob politics. No one other than Joe Bonanno could really garner enough support from other Families to demand the same level of respect.


Were Benjamin Ruggiero and Rusty Sicilians or Neapolitans? Also, when did the Bonannos start accepting made men from other parts of Sicily? I remember reading some books stating Joe Bananas distrusting non-Sicilians and probably refusing to induct men who weren't from Sicily.

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The Castellammare were the largest faction by far. The Bonanno also had those from Racalmuto, Montelepre, Marsala, Santa Ninfa, Alcamo, and had a few from Naples and Campania before Joe Bonanno became boss. Bonanno trusted men from Sicily and more importantly those from CDG, but he did make some members who were of parents from the mainland, Rastelli parents came from Abruzzo and Campania respectively. Ruggiero may have parents from Campania.


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1.) I believe Ruggiero and Rastelli were both Neapolitan. I'm not 100% on that.

2.) Although the Family was primarily Castellamarese oriented, there was a Calabrian regime led by ANGELO CARUSO since 1932. The Family started to open the ranks to Neapolitan and more Calabrian members in the 1950s.
Bonnano did find mafioso from his hometown to be more trustworthy.


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Originally Posted by Dob_Peppino
1.) I believe Ruggiero and Rastelli were both Neapolitan. I'm not 100% on that.

2.) Although the Family was primarily Castellamarese oriented, there was a Calabrian regime led by ANGELO CARUSO since 1932. The Family started to open the ranks to Neapolitan and more Calabrian members in the 1950s.
Bonnano did find mafioso from his hometown to be more trustworthy.



I think you are correct about Rastelli and Ruggiero's ethnicity. Napolitani

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Here's a question that I know hasn't been posed before. So Joe Bonnano poses himself as a great, far-reaching overlord of a fiefdom, an empire. I do not see Joe Bonanno going out and breaking bread with the button guys who pull the trigger on his behalf. He had a lot of lietenaunts, most of them family, that we all know about. Who was it who kept the troops in line during his rein? Was it Frank Garafolo?

Also, we all probably know the story of Carlo Tresca. It seems Frank Garafolo was a literal fascist. Mobsters don't tend to care much about politics except for corruption reasons, but it's interesting because Mussolini was the one who made mortal enemies with the mob early in the century. Thanks guys.

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It wasn't just one guy, but multiple that kept the troops in line. By the late 1950s, Bonanno had a problem in his family. He could relied on Frank Garofalo, Carmine Galante, Natale Evola, Angelo Caruso, Nick Alfano, Giovanni Bonventre, Giovanni Tartamella, Gaspare DiGregorio, Giuseppe Venza and Dominic Sabella to name the most important members who could keep the soldiers in line. Frank Garofalo and Giuseppe Venza retired to Sicily in the mid 1950s, Carmine Galante and Natale Evola went to prison in the late 1950s, Giovanni Bonventre retire to Sicily around 1958 or at least semi retired. When John Tartamella died of a heart attack in 1964 and Bill Bonanno was elected Consigliere, and the whole kill Carlos Gambino and Tommy Lucchese is when Gaspare DiGregorio and Dominick Sabella went against Joe Bonanno. Alfano and Caruso sat on the sidelines trying to bring a peaceful solution to the Bonanno war. It is interesting to note that the Calabrians in the Bonanno family sat on the sidelines during the Bonanno war.


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Interesting note, dont know if it has been mentioned on these forums, but before Bonanno and Magaddino relationship began to sour, Giovanni Bonventre made an insult to Stefano Magaddino in the 1940s, and Bonanno shelved Bonventre for a few years, but reinstated Bonventre into the family and back to being a Capo all in the same go.


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Originally Posted by Giacomo_Vacari
Interesting note, dont know if it has been mentioned on these forums, but before Bonanno and Magaddino relationship began to sour, Giovanni Bonventre made an insult to Stefano Magaddino in the 1940s, and Bonanno shelved Bonventre for a few years, but reinstated Bonventre into the family and back to being a Capo all in the same go.


What was the alleged insult?

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Originally Posted by Giacomo_Vacari
It wasn't just one guy, but multiple that kept the troops in line. By the late 1950s, Bonanno had a problem in his family. He could relied on Frank Garofalo, Carmine Galante, Natale Evola, Angelo Caruso, Nick Alfano, Giovanni Bonventre, Giovanni Tartamella, Gaspare DiGregorio, Giuseppe Venza and Dominic Sabella to name the most important members who could keep the soldiers in line. Frank Garofalo and Giuseppe Venza retired to Sicily in the mid 1950s, Carmine Galante and Natale Evola went to prison in the late 1950s, Giovanni Bonventre retire to Sicily around 1958 or at least semi retired. When John Tartamella died of a heart attack in 1964 and Bill Bonanno was elected Consigliere, and the whole kill Carlos Gambino and Tommy Lucchese is when Gaspare DiGregorio and Dominick Sabella went against Joe Bonanno. Alfano and Caruso sat on the sidelines trying to bring a peaceful solution to the Bonanno war. It is interesting to note that the Calabrians in the Bonanno family sat on the sidelines during the Bonanno war.

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Any info on Dominick Sabella during this 50s/60s period?


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Interesting note, dont know if it has been mentioned on these forums, but before Bonanno and Magaddino relationship began to sour, Giovanni Bonventre made an insult to Stefano Magaddino in the 1940s, and Bonanno shelved Bonventre for a few years, but reinstated Bonventre into the family and back to being a Capo all in the same go.


What was the alleged insult?

They were all cousins, the gist of the situation to my understanding was more of a "personal family" matter. I believe GIOVANNI BONVENTRE made reference to how MAGADDINO was the black sheep of the family and Bonventre undermined STEFANO'S status as a Boss in public. He was shelved (with the understanding he would be reinstated in the future) merely for Bonnano to appease Magaddino's bruised ego.


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Interesting note, dont know if it has been mentioned on these forums, but before Bonanno and Magaddino relationship began to sour, Giovanni Bonventre made an insult to Stefano Magaddino in the 1940s, and Bonanno shelved Bonventre for a few years, but reinstated Bonventre into the family and back to being a Capo all in the same go.


What was the alleged insult?

They were all cousins, the gist of the situation to my understanding was more of a "personal family" matter. I believe GIOVANNI BONVENTRE made reference to how MAGADDINO was the black sheep of the family and Bonventre undermined STEFANO'S status as a Boss in public. He was shelved (with the understanding he would be reinstated in the future) merely for Bonnano to appease Magaddino's bruised ego.


Got it. Thanks. I never heard that one before.


BTW: I am working on a bio of a "key" old-time Bonanno guy since I know you enjoy discussing this family. He was very well known, yet not much was truly ever written about his life. I'm almost done with it now. It'll be up soon for your reading please.

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