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Re: Buffalo Mob
[Re: furio_from_naples]
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11/04/20 11:57 AM
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If we consider Buffalo LCN is still alive. We can definitive say they get some hard hits in recent years.
2018 ?Massimigliano Carfagna? get 10 years 2018 Domenico and Giuseppe "Joe" Violi gets 8 years. 2019 Raid in Pete Gerace, Jr. Strip Club 2019 Bongiovanni, get busted 2019 Michael Masecchia arrested 2020 - Anthony Gerace,guilty 2020 - Bifulco died
----------------Maybe connected maybe not--------- 2018 Louis Ciminelli Jr.,get 2 years.
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Re: Buffalo Mob
[Re: Nitro]
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11/04/20 02:41 PM
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If we consider Buffalo LCN is still alive. We can definitive say they get some hard hits in recent years.
2018 ?Massimigliano Carfagna? get 10 years 2018 Domenico and Giuseppe "Joe" Violi gets 8 years. 2019 Raid in Pete Gerace, Jr. Strip Club 2019 Bongiovanni, get busted 2019 Michael Masecchia arrested 2020 - Anthony Gerace,guilty 2020 - Bifulco died
----------------Maybe connected maybe not--------- 2018 Louis Ciminelli Jr.,get 2 years.
Hit so hard some attempt to keep the current narrative alive.
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Re: Buffalo Mob
[Re: furio_from_naples]
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01/23/21 09:19 PM
01/23/21 09:19 PM
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Here is one thing to consider, Joe Todaro Jr, has spent considerable amount of resources building his image up in the media as a straight laced, hard working businessman, who the feds and the media are blaming him for the sins of his father.
We see that the Buffalo LCN or whoever is left has a way of corrupting local and federal L.E.
What I mean by that is that you the DEA agent that was recently indicted however, we also see in Hamilton, there are recent cases of a few L.E. officers actually indicted and a bunch more accused of being on the take.
To help foster the squeaky clean businessman image insulation from the crimes on the street would be very helpful.
Somewhere along the line, the decision was made NOT to induct, the sons, nephews and cousins etc.. (Let them be involved with the rackets however, NO BUTTON).
One of the things we have seen in Buffalo, is traditional LCN, rackets, with people that were associates of the LCN, family or their relatives however, no direct tie. (INSULATION) I.E. in some pretty big construction and/or union projects.
When the indictment hits there is NO direct tie to the LCN, family, that is the guys that are put out front to take the hit are one or two layers removed from the LCN.
Take a look at the Gambino's and the Campos, case you have a typical kick back scheme for work being awarded to companies paying kick-backs, this happens every day in the construction industry however, if you are LCN, this ends up being a racketeering case.
The difference is these companies are owned/controlled by members of the Gambino family.
Most of you know once you tie R.I.C.O. to these cases a couple of things happen:
1) The prison sentences go way up. (Easier to get people to flip) 2) To convict on a R.I.C.O. case you only need preponderance of evidence, which is way EASIER than beyond a reasonable doubt. (Easier to convict a trial) 3) R.I.C.O. extends the statue of limitations.
Its just a smarted way of doing things with layers of insulation.
Nickel, knows the Buffalo, cases I am referring to and could probably post the links.
So what I am saying is that some of this could be by design.
It could be the elders looking out for their kin, just adapting to the new world we live in, the world has changed in so many ways since Luciano, put this together, so for these guys to survive they need to change with the times and for the ones that do NOT, they surely will be extinct.
Look at Jack Tocco, from Detroit he was one of the longest sitting LCN, bosses he spent I think a year in jail died at 87, of natural causes surrounded by family. He too cultivated the businessman image, he too had political protection.
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Re: Buffalo Mob
[Re: furio_from_naples]
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01/24/21 02:37 AM
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Was there ever a "line" drawn between the Buffalo-Niagara guys and the Canadian buffalo guys culturally, or socially? Even in NYC mobsters team up based on borough and even kill each other. I always thought it was interested that the country's border never stopped Magaddino from consolidated his family in such a large territory. Many square miles
NickleCity we never met but I appreciate your posts
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Re: Buffalo Mob
[Re: furio_from_naples]
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01/24/21 08:17 PM
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Nickel, can better elaborate however, he told me a story about a wake of a Buffalo, LCN member a few years back and If I remember correctly he said guys from Canada, had attended.
I would imagine back in the day it was pretty easy to go across the border obviously not as easy today.
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Re: Buffalo Mob
[Re: NickleCity]
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01/27/21 08:01 AM
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A high school teacher in Buffalo Public Schools arrested last year may be a member of the mob according to new Buffalo News article on DEA agent Bongiovanni and Masecchia: https://buffalonews.com/2020/06/22/feds-tie-former-dea-agent-to-drug-dealer-and-mob/A new grand jury indictment against the former agent also names Michael Masecchia, a former Buffalo school teacher described in court papers as a longtime drug dealer and member or associate of "Italian Organized Crime...
Snip ..."Masecchia’s is an associate and possible made member of the Buffalo LCN family," the email said, according to court papers. LCN was a reference to La Cosa Nostra. Michael Masecchia is married to made man Bart Mazzara’s (deceased) daughter. His wife’s uncles are/were made men Vic and Dan (deceased) Sansanese.
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Re: Buffalo Mob
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01/27/21 11:15 PM
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not that we don't see cases lately in nyc which we do but there hasn't been a significant mafia bust in the buffalo area for close to 20 years. every 6 months there is a case connected to 1 of the other active families on east coast (5 families,decav,philly,new england) not to mention MTL mafia groups and 'ndrangheta in toronto. not trying to start an argument i have very little knowledge of the buffalo family to begin with. but with most OC groups every now and then they take a bust.
During the time period 2006-present have identified 28 different incidents where those involved in criminal complaints, indictments, and arrests appear to have connections to people who are/were in or have had associations with the Buffalo crime family. This doesn’t mean their activity is mob related. It could certainly just be remnants of a dead family. But with these numbers I wouldn’t rule out the possibility of an active family in Buffalo. Here is the issue: When people think a family is dead, they may overlook activity indicating the family is alive and active. Of course people who think the family is active may find activity where there is not.
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Re: Buffalo Mob
[Re: NickleCity]
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01/28/21 01:03 PM
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not that we don't see cases lately in nyc which we do but there hasn't been a significant mafia bust in the buffalo area for close to 20 years. every 6 months there is a case connected to 1 of the other active families on east coast (5 families,decav,philly,new england) not to mention MTL mafia groups and 'ndrangheta in toronto. not trying to start an argument i have very little knowledge of the buffalo family to begin with. but with most OC groups every now and then they take a bust.
During the time period 2006-present have identified 28 different incidents where those involved in criminal complaints, indictments, and arrests appear to have connections to people who are/were in or have had associations with the Buffalo crime family. This doesn’t mean their activity is mob related. It could certainly just be remnants of a dead family. But with these numbers I wouldn’t rule out the possibility of an active family in Buffalo. Here is the issue: When people think a family is dead, they may overlook activity indicating the family is alive and active. Of course people who think the family is active may find activity where there is not. But if there are only few men active that is not a family its a glorified crew.
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Re: Buffalo Mob
[Re: furio_from_naples]
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01/28/21 01:58 PM
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not that we don't see cases lately in nyc which we do but there hasn't been a significant mafia bust in the buffalo area for close to 20 years. every 6 months there is a case connected to 1 of the other active families on east coast (5 families,decav,philly,new england) not to mention MTL mafia groups and 'ndrangheta in toronto. not trying to start an argument i have very little knowledge of the buffalo family to begin with. but with most OC groups every now and then they take a bust.
During the time period 2006-present have identified 28 different incidents where those involved in criminal complaints, indictments, and arrests appear to have connections to people who are/were in or have had associations with the Buffalo crime family. This doesn’t mean their activity is mob related. It could certainly just be remnants of a dead family. But with these numbers I wouldn’t rule out the possibility of an active family in Buffalo. Here is the issue: When people think a family is dead, they may overlook activity indicating the family is alive and active. Of course people who think the family is active may find activity where there is not. But if there are only few men active that is not a family its a glorified crew. My questions: 1. Does your statement assume Buffalo has not made any men? 2. If so, is that assumption based on the assumption that the crime family is dead? 3. How do you handle the information regarding an alleged making ceremony in 2015 when Dominic was made? 4. If number 3 is true, maybe the ongoing assumption has been wrong and there have been other making ceremonies--I recognize this is an assumption on my part. 5. If my assumption is right, how many making ceremonies did they have in the supposed "dead years?" 7. How do we handle the LE statement that Masecchia may be a made member of the Buffalo LCN? 8. Do we assume this is false because we've assumed the family is dead? 9. If it is true that Masecchia is a made man, does point to the validity of the 2015 making ceremony or another ceremony we are unaware of? Again, number 9 would be be an assumption on my part. 10. Some will point to the FBI statement that only remnants remain form March 2017 and say this proves the family is dead, but this is an assumption that the FBI still believes the family is dead. Is that assumption true? Or has it changed with the new information that has been revealed from Nov. 2017 forward. I could keep going but my point is this: We all make assumptions base on the presuppositions we cary with us. The question is can one identify his or her presuppositions and be prepared to change them when new data is available? I try to do this, but currently, with the information available to me, I still lean to an active Buffalo family. I think the prevailing presuppositions have been wrong. But again, I may be wrong--I recognize the presuppositions I bring to my understanding of this situation.
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Re: Buffalo Mob
[Re: furio_from_naples]
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01/28/21 03:48 PM
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not that we don't see cases lately in nyc which we do but there hasn't been a significant mafia bust in the buffalo area for close to 20 years. every 6 months there is a case connected to 1 of the other active families on east coast (5 families,decav,philly,new england) not to mention MTL mafia groups and 'ndrangheta in toronto. not trying to start an argument i have very little knowledge of the buffalo family to begin with. but with most OC groups every now and then they take a bust.
During the time period 2006-present have identified 28 different incidents where those involved in criminal complaints, indictments, and arrests appear to have connections to people who are/were in or have had associations with the Buffalo crime family. This doesn’t mean their activity is mob related. It could certainly just be remnants of a dead family. But with these numbers I wouldn’t rule out the possibility of an active family in Buffalo. Here is the issue: When people think a family is dead, they may overlook activity indicating the family is alive and active. Of course people who think the family is active may find activity where there is not. But if there are only few men active that is not a family its a glorified crew. My questions: 1. Does your statement assume Buffalo has not made any men? 2. If so, is that assumption based on the assumption that the crime family is dead? 3. How do you handle the information regarding an alleged making ceremony in 2015 when Dominic was made? 4. If number 3 is true, maybe the ongoing assumption has been wrong and there have been other making ceremonies--I recognize this is an assumption on my part. 5. If my assumption is right, how many making ceremonies did they have in the supposed "dead years?" 7. How do we handle the LE statement that Masecchia may be a made member of the Buffalo LCN? 8. Do we assume this is false because we've assumed the family is dead? 9. If it is true that Masecchia is a made man, does point to the validity of the 2015 making ceremony or another ceremony we are unaware of? Again, number 9 would be be an assumption on my part. 10. Some will point to the FBI statement that only remnants remain form March 2017 and say this proves the family is dead, but this is an assumption that the FBI still believes the family is dead. Is that assumption true? Or has it changed with the new information that has been revealed from Nov. 2017 forward. I could keep going but my point is this: We all make assumptions base on the presuppositions we cary with us. The question is can one identify his or her presuppositions and be prepared to change them when new data is available? I try to do this, but currently, with the information available to me, I still lean to an active Buffalo family. I think the prevailing presuppositions have been wrong. But again, I may be wrong--I recognize the presuppositions I bring to my understanding of this situation. I think that could have a dozen or less of made men and speaking frankly this is not a family but a bunch of old times and wannabes that make money,are organized ecc but still a glorified crew. I dont think that if really made a canadian guy as underboss this mean that have no men in Us for the rule,if the whole thing is true.
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Re: Buffalo Mob
[Re: VitoCahill]
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01/31/21 03:17 AM
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not that we don't see cases lately in nyc which we do but there hasn't been a significant mafia bust in the buffalo area for close to 20 years. every 6 months there is a case connected to 1 of the other active families on east coast (5 families,decav,philly,new england) not to mention MTL mafia groups and 'ndrangheta in toronto. not trying to start an argument i have very little knowledge of the buffalo family to begin with. but with most OC groups every now and then they take a bust.
A DEA agent in bed with LCN, in 2021 isn't significant? The Violi's case wasn't significant? The one brother got 16 years if he was charged in the US he would have gotten double that 32 Years+
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Re: Buffalo Mob
[Re: VitoCahill]
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01/31/21 08:02 AM
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lets not forget either about the tobacco trafficking cell led by domenico agostino (now deceased) and domenico cocullo based in montreal/quebec. it was revealed by rcmp that this cell was paying a tribute or part of profits to the violi bros. this would show the reach of violi bros and by extension the buffalo crime family. That’s interesting, I read an article about the Monture family from the 6 Nations Reservation, it mentioned business with local mobsters, specifically related to tobacco. I think this is it, mentioned Monture, the mob, etc. Also goes in deep to the murder of the Racco. https://reports.thespec.io/category/railroaded/
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Re: Buffalo Mob
[Re: VitoCahill]
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02/05/21 04:41 AM
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Is there any evidence yet that bongiovanni had connections to the Mafia in Buffalo. And the violi bros arrest in project otremens is significant but all based in Hamilton Ontario not Buffalo. I have never doubted the existence of Mafia groups in Hamilton.
Right before bodies started dropping in Hamilton, the consensus was nothing was going on.... The consensus was/is on Buffalo that because lack of criminal indictments is evidence they no longer exist. Let's apply that to Hamilton before the Violo's what was the last major mafia event? The Mustiano's going to jail? Was that in 1997? I believe it's a shell of what it was. I think there a couple/ few crews left. I believe the structure is loose. I believe the Heirarchy is layers removed. Heavily into legit business and not taking any chances. I also think they have started to rebuild as their is evidence that new members have been inducted. For the feds to leak to the press that the teacher may be a member that has to be based on something...... I never understood why anyone would be calling Violi's wire taps in to question? Why would he be lying or considered a liar? It appears that he is well respected I have never read anything negative about him. So if he says he is U.B. I have no reason not to believe him. Also to support that claim the feds in Canada, came out and said that Buffalo LCN, still exists. That leads me to believe they have more evidence to suggest that.
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Re: Buffalo Mob
[Re: BensonHURST]
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02/05/21 07:34 AM
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Is there any evidence yet that bongiovanni had connections to the Mafia in Buffalo. And the violi bros arrest in project otremens is significant but all based in Hamilton Ontario not Buffalo. I have never doubted the existence of Mafia groups in Hamilton.
Let's apply that to Hamilton before the Violo's what was the last major mafia event? The Mustiano's going to jail? Was that in 1997? The Musitanos, I believe were arrested in 1998, when the hitman they used ended up rattling on them. You have to wonder what would of came of them, if they murdered Ken Murdock, after he killed Papalia and Barrillaro? I have been speaking with people in Ontario, since the death of Rizzuto, and by March of 2014, the faint mention of Buffalo was already being spoken. Then as if by magic, people start to get killed, as well as people start mentioning Buffalo. Basically, I started hearing about Buffalo, right before Frank Papalia died. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hami...-rock-of-hamilton-mafia-family-1.2615254I still find it confusing lol
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